Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-12-15 Thread Matt Emmerton
on 30.10.2005 11:36 Uhr Cristiano Deana said the following: Hi, I've seen that 'GENERIC' file has been modified, moving some lines to 'DEFAULTS': device isa device mem # Memory and kernel memory devices device io # I/O device Why?

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-12-15 Thread John Baldwin
On Thursday 15 December 2005 03:49 pm, Matt Emmerton wrote: I know this has been discussed ad nauseum, but here's my $0.02: Why not mark these entries as 'mandatory' in /usr/src/sys/conf/files* instead? This will cause config to error out if they are not specified in the config, and handles

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-12-15 Thread Matt Emmerton
On Thursday 15 December 2005 03:49 pm, Matt Emmerton wrote: I know this has been discussed ad nauseum, but here's my $0.02: Why not mark these entries as 'mandatory' in /usr/src/sys/conf/files* instead? This will cause config to error out if they are not specified in the config, and

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-11-03 Thread Rob
Kris Kennaway wrote: You've clearly never spent much time on the FreeBSD support forums, where every few days someone posts for help 1) with an error caused by removing one of those Do not remove this! lines, and 2) for help on getting X working when they forgot to add /dev/io and

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-11-02 Thread Cristiano Deana
2005/11/1, Scott Long [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The future direction is that FreeBSD will continue to be friendly to novice users while still affording power users the control that they seek. Scott, that's right. but: we can have our personal way to shoot in the foot, we can use big, BIG, advice

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-11-02 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 11:43:29PM -0800, Rob wrote: Kris Kennaway wrote: You've clearly never spent much time on the FreeBSD support forums, where every few days someone posts for help 1) with an error caused by removing one of those Do not remove this! lines, and 2) for help

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-11-02 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:43:29 -0800 (PST) Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is then to follow this strategy also for X: instead of a DEFAULTS file, have a /etc/rc.d/xdm script, which starts X and loads the modules io/mem if needed. Not everybody uses xdm, some use the KDE version

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-11-02 Thread Rob
Kris Kennaway wrote: You missed the part where I said that the error is commonly reported by people who have chosen not to build modules. The DEFAULTS construction is put in place to help 'novices' not to do stupid things (as removing io/mem). However, does 'building a kernel without

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-11-02 Thread Robert Watson
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, Rob wrote: Kris Kennaway wrote: You missed the part where I said that the error is commonly reported by people who have chosen not to build modules. The DEFAULTS construction is put in place to help 'novices' not to do stupid things (as removing io/mem). However,

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-11-02 Thread Aristedes Maniatis
On 03/11/2005, at 9:09 AM, David Wolfskill wrote: On Wed, Nov 02, 2005 at 04:39:30PM -0500, Ken Menzel wrote: ... If I include GENERIC can I comment out the following? #cpuI486_CPU #cpuI586_CPU Well, it's your (copy of) the file; I suppose you can do whatever you

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-11-01 Thread Rob
Kris Kennaway wrote: You've clearly never spent much time on the FreeBSD support forums, where every few days someone posts for help 1) with an error caused by removing one of those Do not remove this! lines, and 2) for help on getting X working when they forgot to add /dev/io and

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-31 Thread Danny Braniss
I've seen that 'GENERIC' file has been modified, moving some lines to 'DEFAULTS': device isa device mem # Memory and kernel memory devices device io # I/O device Why? What does it mean? Should we include 'DEFAULTS' in our

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-31 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 10:12:01AM +0200, Danny Braniss wrote: i agree 100%, i hate wizardy/black-magic, and this 'fix' falls in that class. Why was a 5ton hammer used to fix non existing problem? a small comment like 'you better keep these lines to make X happy' would have sufficed. You've

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-31 Thread Danny Braniss
You've clearly never spent much time on the FreeBSD support forums, where every few days someone posts for help 1) with an error caused by removing one of those Do not remove this! lines, and 2) for help on getting X working when they forgot to add /dev/io and /dev/mem to their kernel.

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-31 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 10:46:37AM +0200, Danny Braniss wrote: You've clearly never spent much time on the FreeBSD support forums, where every few days someone posts for help 1) with an error caused by removing one of those Do not remove this! lines, and 2) for help on getting X

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-31 Thread Danny Braniss
[...] Many users who build custom kernels do not build modules, since they want to compile everything they (think they) need into the kernel statically. you probably know many scenarios that i - thankfully - am no aware of, but by creating the magic DEFAULTS file the problem still exits! What

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-31 Thread Brad Knowles
At 11:18 AM +0200 2005-10-31, Danny Braniss wrote: you probably know many scenarios that i - thankfully - am no aware of, but by creating the magic DEFAULTS file the problem still exits! What will prevent from Joe Shootmyfoot to comment out the lines in DEFAULTS? chflags schg

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-31 Thread Danny Braniss
At 11:18 AM +0200 2005-10-31, Danny Braniss wrote: you probably know many scenarios that i - thankfully - am no aware of, but by creating the magic DEFAULTS file the problem still exits! What will prevent from Joe Shootmyfoot to comment out the lines in DEFAULTS? chflags

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-31 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:01 PM +0200 2005-10-31, Danny Braniss wrote: you probably know many scenarios that i - thankfully - am no aware of, but by creating the magic DEFAULTS file the problem still exits! What will prevent from Joe Shootmyfoot to comment out the lines in DEFAULTS? chflags

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-31 Thread Pete Slagle
i agree 100%, i hate wizardy/black-magic, and this 'fix' falls in that class. Why was a 5ton hammer used to fix non existing problem? a small comment like 'you better keep these lines to make X happy' would have sufficed. You've clearly never spent much time on the FreeBSD support forums,

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-31 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 03:46:56PM -0800, Pete Slagle wrote: i agree 100%, i hate wizardy/black-magic, and this 'fix' falls in that class. Why was a 5ton hammer used to fix non existing problem? a small comment like 'you better keep these lines to make X happy' would have sufficed. You've

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-31 Thread David Kirchner
On 10/31/05, Scott Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The future direction is that FreeBSD will continue to be friendly to novice users while still affording power users the control that they seek. This feature is not going to be a dumping ground of dubious and secret options that are impossible

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-30 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 11:36:46AM +0100, Cristiano Deana wrote: Hi, I've seen that 'GENERIC' file has been modified, moving some lines to 'DEFAULTS': device isa device mem # Memory and kernel memory devices device io # I/O device

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-30 Thread Massimo Lusetti
On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 11:36 +0100, Cristiano Deana wrote: Hi, I've seen that 'GENERIC' file has been modified, moving some lines to 'DEFAULTS': device isa device mem # Memory and kernel memory devices device io # I/O device

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-30 Thread Cristiano Deana
Thank you , Kris. It's included by DEFAULT. The point of a DEFAULTS file is that to contain things that are used by DEFAULT, including those which are mandatory. As I thought, but how? I didn't see any include in GENERIC or any modify in Makefile. I think it should be written in

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-30 Thread Philip S. Schulz
on 30.10.2005 11:36 Uhr Cristiano Deana said the following: Hi, I've seen that 'GENERIC' file has been modified, moving some lines to 'DEFAULTS': device isa device mem # Memory and kernel memory devices device io # I/O device Why?

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-30 Thread Massimo Lusetti
On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 12:04 +0100, Mathieu Arnold wrote: In that case, how do we remove io or mem so that they get in as kld at boot time ? With the nodevice directive. -- Massimo.run(); ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-30 Thread Pete Slagle
I've seen that 'GENERIC' file has been modified, moving some lines to 'DEFAULTS': device isa device mem # Memory and kernel memory devices device io # I/O device Why? What does it mean? Should we include 'DEFAULTS' in our customized

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-30 Thread Zoran Kolic
Hi all! Since the amount of files goes up, there is a chance to mess something with the best in mind. Personaly, I like simple style of making new kernel. Defaults? OK if works well, without complaints for people, who need nothing more than necessary. What's about compat options for clean install

Re: GENERIC and DEFAULTS

2005-10-30 Thread Roland Smith
On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 03:22:09PM -0800, Pete Slagle wrote: I've seen that 'GENERIC' file has been modified, moving some lines to 'DEFAULTS': device isa device mem # Memory and kernel memory devices device io # I/O device Why?