Re: Perennial suggestion to split freebsd-stable into version-specific lists
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 05:17:06PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: Howdy, I make this suggestion every time there is a new major release coming, maybe this time will be the one! :) One could argue that with the 2 active stable branches that we have now the freebsd-stable@ mailing list is already quite confusing. Is it? I can't say I have noted any particular confusion here, especially not any related to the fact that this list covers both 6-stable and 7-stable. Adding a third (8-STABLE) will make it much more so (arguably confusion to the third power instead of just confusion squared), for a lot of reasons that I think are probably obvious. Thus, my suggestion. Split what is currently freebsd-stable into one list per branch. This year I even have a better suggestion for the names, freebsd-6@, freebsd-7@, and freebs...@. After the flag day mail sent to the existing -stable list can get an auto-reply explaining the new world order. What do you think? Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perennial suggestion to split freebsd-stable into version-specific lists
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:17 -, dougb wrote: Howdy, I make this suggestion every time there is a new major release coming, maybe this time will be the one! :) One could argue that with the 2 active stable branches that we have now the freebsd-stable@ mailing list is already quite confusing. Adding a third (8-STABLE) will make it much more so (arguably confusion to the third power instead of just confusion squared), for a lot of reasons that I think are probably obvious. Thus, my suggestion. Split what is currently freebsd-stable into one list per branch. This year I even have a better suggestion for the names, freebsd-6@, freebsd-7@, and freebs...@. After the flag day mail sent to the existing -stable list can get an auto-reply explaining the new world order. What do you think? Doug I think this is a very good idea. This would also allow targeting specific releases directly from the documentation/release notes. I vote on specifically: FreeBSD-8stable FreeBSD-8release FreeBSD-7stable FreeBSD-7release and then 9 or current just stays the same obviously. and so on Then at EOL drop and archive the list that coordinates. Not to mention the benefits of tracking problems per distribution that this would provide. Just some thoughts. Best regards. -- - (2^(N-1)) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perennial suggestion to split freebsd-stable into version-specific lists
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:17 -, dougb wrote: Howdy, I make this suggestion every time there is a new major release coming, maybe this time will be the one! :) One could argue that with the 2 active stable branches that we have now the freebsd-stable@ mailing list is already quite confusing. Adding a third (8-STABLE) will make it much more so (arguably confusion to the third power instead of just confusion squared), for a lot of reasons that I think are probably obvious. Thus, my suggestion. Split what is currently freebsd-stable into one list per branch. This year I even have a better suggestion for the names, freebsd-6@, freebsd-7@, and freebs...@. After the flag day mail sent to the existing -stable list can get an auto-reply explaining the new world order. What do you think? Doug On second thought you could also create the FreeBSD-?stable list and still have then CC'd to the FreeBSD-stable list for archive purposes allowing people to just subscribe to one list or all of them as a group. -- - (2^(N-1)) ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perennial suggestion to split freebsd-stable into version-specific lists
CmdLnKid wrote: On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:17 -, dougb wrote: Howdy, I make this suggestion every time there is a new major release coming, maybe this time will be the one! :) One could argue that with the 2 active stable branches that we have now the freebsd-stable@ mailing list is already quite confusing. Adding a third (8-STABLE) will make it much more so (arguably confusion to the third power instead of just confusion squared), for a lot of reasons that I think are probably obvious. Thus, my suggestion. Split what is currently freebsd-stable into one list per branch. This year I even have a better suggestion for the names, freebsd-6@, freebsd-7@, and freebs...@. After the flag day mail sent to the existing -stable list can get an auto-reply explaining the new world order. What do you think? Doug On second thought you could also create the FreeBSD-?stable list and still have then CC'd to the FreeBSD-stable list for archive purposes allowing people to just subscribe to one list or all of them as a group. And what if someone sends mail to FreeBSD-stable? Reject it because this list is just for archiving purposes? Or accept it and send it out (just like now) adding yet more confusion? Personally, I don't have a problem with the current situation, but then that's just me... Just my 2 cents, Philipp smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Perennial suggestion to split freebsd-stable into version-specific lists
Hi, Thus, my suggestion. Split what is currently freebsd-stable into one list per branch. We could also THINK about whether we want more than 1 stable branch, which is the true case now. Either we relese too often or older releases have a far to long lifecycle before reching EOL. Recalling from memory I more than once read posting by core freebsd dev's stating they dislike keeping track of so many releases. That started with 5. What we really need to THINK about is getting more milestones into a release. Now 5 marked $SMP. 6 was a $better 5. 7 marked $this. 8 should cut the corners on $that. Why not having more milestones into our current release before the next one becomes stable. Then this problem will solve in near future. What's wrong with having releng_8_14 ? I recall 2.2.11 :-) I'm not opposed more -stable mailinglists perse, but this to me seems we are just fighting symptons. Cheers, Robert ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perennial suggestion to split freebsd-stable into version-specific lists
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: ... Thus, my suggestion. Split what is currently freebsd-stable into one list per branch. This year I even have a better suggestion for the names, freebsd-6@, freebsd-7@, and freebs...@. After the flag day mail sent to the existing -stable list can get an auto-reply explaining the new world order. What do you think? Doug I think , this is a very good idea , because problems of each major version is generally different from the other ones . Even I have the idea about using Handbook separately for each major version . Previously I sent a message about that but it is completely ignored . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
