Re: FreeBSD TDMA: Legalizing 440MHz 802.11 modems

2014-08-28 Thread Adrian Chadd
Yup, that's what I thought. I'll go dig it up. The analog filter is something on the front end, just before the transmit/receive RF side. It acts as a filter to ensure (a) decent rejection of adjacent channel signals being received and (b) the transmit spectral mask is being met. -a On 27 Au

Re: FreeBSD TDMA: Legalizing 440MHz 802.11 modems

2014-08-27 Thread Bart Kus
Fixed original email with imgur URL since mailing list strips attachments. --Bart On 8/27/2014 9:00 PM, Bart Kus wrote: Well I'll be damned, looks like 5MHz mode on Mikrotik is just slower signalling! All 52-subcarriers are indeed there, although a little hard to see: http://i.imgur.com/d5

Re: FreeBSD TDMA: Legalizing 440MHz 802.11 modems

2014-08-27 Thread Bart Kus
Well I'll be damned, looks like 5MHz mode on Mikrotik is just slower signalling! All 52-subcarriers are indeed there, although a little hard to see: If you count peaks left/right of center, you'll get 26. 2*26=52, so that's every sub accounted for. Can you point me at your 5/10MHz docs?

Re: FreeBSD TDMA: Legalizing 440MHz 802.11 modems

2014-08-27 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 27 August 2014 16:38, Bart Kus wrote: > I'm guessing the chip generates its own internal clocks from an external > reference. Can that PLL be slowed down ahead of timers overflowing? > Hopefully the PCI clock is generated independently. Yeah, that's what you're slowing down - you program the

Re: FreeBSD TDMA: Legalizing 440MHz 802.11 modems

2014-08-27 Thread Bart Kus
I'm guessing the chip generates its own internal clocks from an external reference. Can that PLL be slowed down ahead of timers overflowing? Hopefully the PCI clock is generated independently. Also, I think Mikrotik implements narrower bands by dropping subcarriers instead of slowing down th

Re: FreeBSD TDMA: Legalizing 440MHz 802.11 modems

2014-08-27 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 27 August 2014 16:09, Bart Kus wrote: > Is the underclocking affecting the digital domain only? Or would there be > some analog frequency response curves that would start falling off too? If > it's a digital-only underclock I don't see why there would be any > degradation (aside from the obvi

Re: FreeBSD TDMA: Legalizing 440MHz 802.11 modems

2014-08-27 Thread Bart Kus
Is the underclocking affecting the digital domain only? Or would there be some analog frequency response curves that would start falling off too? If it's a digital-only underclock I don't see why there would be any degradation (aside from the obvious speed decrease). Is this easily testable

Re: FreeBSD TDMA: Legalizing 440MHz 802.11 modems

2014-08-27 Thread Adrian Chadd
Hi! So, I'm not sure if we can underclock it _that_ far. The 5/10MHz channels are implemented by underclocking various parts of the chip, which results in everything being some fraction of 20MHz (or 2x clocking it, resulting in 40MHz.) Bringing it all the way down to 200KHz is a pretty tall ask.