Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup

2016-11-17 Thread Fehmi Noyan ISI via freebsd-wireless 
>> To porting need a license ? may be for USA or some other countrys but not 
>> for whole world
To port any software, the original work should allow you to do so. This is 
called "Free Software License", which is different than "Open Source". 
Apparently, the Broadcom source files give no permission to third parties for 
redistribution/modification of the work.


When you say "porting to FreeBSD", my interpretation of the phrase is "making 
the code or resulting binary work under FreeBSD". Below is what Wikipedia 
understands from "porting"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porting

>> I do not think that broadсom will seek and pursue all users who wish to use 
>> porting code

Aye, they sure can "sue" somebody, not necessarily the users though. Have you 
heard about "AT Lawsuit" before?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD#Lawsuit

There is also a nice reading here (if you are interested in a bit of UNIX 
history)
https://www.amazon.com/Daemon-Gnu-Penguin-Peter-Salus/dp/097903423X



- Original Message -
From: paradox via freebsd-wireless <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
To: paradox <ddkp...@yahoo.com>; Adrian Chadd <adrian.ch...@gmail.com>
Cc: "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup

To porting need a license ? may be for USA or some other countrys but not for 
whole world

What you mean about porting ?

I mean, thats sourcecode can build and can generate a work binary
Create(generate) this binary from source or not, a user decides

I do not think that broadсom will seek and pursue all users who wish to use 
porting code

----------------
On Fri, 11/18/16, Adrian Chadd <adrian.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup
To: "paradox" <ddkp...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
Date: Friday, November 18, 2016, 12:26 AM

no, we don't have a
licence to port it open source and I don't have a
licence to generate binaries for other
people.



-adrian


On 17 November 2016 at 14:17,
paradox via freebsd-wireless
<freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
wrote:
> what you mean ? if we have
broadcom sourcecode, we can't porting and use it for
self ?
>
>

> On Fri, 11/18/16, Fehmi Noyan ISI <fnoyan...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>  Subject:
Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup
>  To: "paradox" <ddkp...@yahoo.com>,
"Felix Friedlander" <felixph...@gmail.com>
>  Cc: "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org"
<freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
>  Date: Friday, November 18, 2016, 12:03
AM
>
>
>  >>> the sourcecode can be
porting to freebsd but
>  not including
to kernel
>
>  not
quite sure about this... obviously enough, licences are
>  there for a reason.
>
> 
________
> 
From: paradox via freebsd-wireless <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
>  To: Felix Friedlander <felixph...@gmail.com>
>
>  Cc: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org
>  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:42
AM
>  Subject: Re: sourcecode of
broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr
>  sup
>
>
>  if Anrian already have access to source
code of broadcom,
>  its great ! i
don't known about it
>
>  about of licensing, the sourcecode can
be porting to freebsd
>  but not
including to kernel, seems many people tobe
>  enougth this
>
>
> 

>  On Thu, 11/17/16, Felix Friedlander
<felixph...@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: sourcecode of broadcom
drivers up to 2011 yr
>  sup
>  To: "paradox" <ddkp...@yahoo.com>
>  Cc: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org
>  Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016, 10:32
PM
>
>
>  > On 18 Nov. 2016, at 05:36, paradox
via
>  freebsd-wireless
>  <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > seems all BCM WIFI PHY & MAC
sourcecode of
>  ABG/N/LP/NT/SSN
>  > hope your can build it or take part
for independ
>  module
>
>  > MAC
>  > 
> https://github.com/elenril/VMG1312-B/tree/master/bcmdrivers/broadcom/net/wl/impl10/wl/sys
>  > PHY
>  > 
> https://github.com/elenril/VMG1312-B/tree/master/bcmdrivers/broadcom/net/wl/impl10/wl/phy
>
>  There’s a
difference between finding the code, and having
>  a licence to use it… If I’m not
mistaken Adrian already
>  has access to
the proprietary Broadcom driver through his
>  work, it’s more of a licensing
issue.
>
>  Still a
nice find though, with this and the Cypress
>  datasheets some

Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup

2016-11-17 Thread paradox via freebsd-wireless 
To porting need a license ? may be for USA or some other countrys but not for 
whole world

What you mean about porting ?

I mean, thats sourcecode can build and can generate a work binary
Create(generate) this binary from source or not, a user decides

I do not think that broadсom will seek and pursue all users who wish to use 
porting code


On Fri, 11/18/16, Adrian Chadd <adrian.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup
 To: "paradox" <ddkp...@yahoo.com>
 Cc: "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
 Date: Friday, November 18, 2016, 12:26 AM
 
 no, we don't have a
 licence to port it open source and I don't have a
 licence to generate binaries for other
 people.
 
 
 
 -adrian
 
 
 On 17 November 2016 at 14:17,
 paradox via freebsd-wireless
 <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
 wrote:
 > what you mean ? if we have
 broadcom sourcecode, we can't porting and use it for
 self ?
 >
 >
 
 > On Fri, 11/18/16, Fehmi Noyan ISI <fnoyan...@yahoo.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject:
 Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup
 >  To: "paradox" <ddkp...@yahoo.com>,
 "Felix Friedlander" <felixph...@gmail.com>
 >  Cc: "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org"
 <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
 >  Date: Friday, November 18, 2016, 12:03
 AM
 >
 >
 >  >>> the sourcecode can be
 porting to freebsd but
 >  not including
 to kernel
 >
 >  not
 quite sure about this... obviously enough, licences are
 >  there for a reason.
 >
 > 
 
 > 
 From: paradox via freebsd-wireless <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
 >  To: Felix Friedlander <felixph...@gmail.com>
 >
 >  Cc: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org
 >  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:42
 AM
 >  Subject: Re: sourcecode of
 broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr
 >  sup
 >
 >
 >  if Anrian already have access to source
 code of broadcom,
 >  its great ! i
 don't known about it
 >
 >  about of licensing, the sourcecode can
 be porting to freebsd
 >  but not
 including to kernel, seems many people tobe
 >  enougth this
 >
 >
 > 
 
 >  On Thu, 11/17/16, Felix Friedlander
 <felixph...@gmail.com>
 >  wrote:
 >
 >  Subject: Re: sourcecode of broadcom
 drivers up to 2011 yr
 >  sup
 >  To: "paradox" <ddkp...@yahoo.com>
 >  Cc: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org
 >  Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016, 10:32
 PM
 >
 >
 >  > On 18 Nov. 2016, at 05:36, paradox
 via
 >  freebsd-wireless
 >  <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
 >  wrote:
 >  >
 >  > seems all BCM WIFI PHY & MAC
 sourcecode of
 >  ABG/N/LP/NT/SSN
 >  > hope your can build it or take part
 for independ
 >  module
 >
 >  > MAC
 >  > 
 >https://github.com/elenril/VMG1312-B/tree/master/bcmdrivers/broadcom/net/wl/impl10/wl/sys
 >  > PHY
 >  > 
 >https://github.com/elenril/VMG1312-B/tree/master/bcmdrivers/broadcom/net/wl/impl10/wl/phy
 >
 >  There’s a
 difference between finding the code, and having
 >  a licence to use it… If I’m not
 mistaken Adrian already
 >  has access to
 the proprietary Broadcom driver through his
 >  work, it’s more of a licensing
 issue.
 >
 >  Still a
 nice find though, with this and the Cypress
 >  datasheets some things may become a bit
 easier.
 >
 >  --
 >  Felix Friedlander <felixph...@gmail.com>
 > 
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Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup

2016-11-17 Thread paradox via freebsd-wireless 
porting to freebsd  !=(not eq)  include sourcecode to freebsd



On Fri, 11/18/16, Fehmi Noyan ISI <fnoyan...@yahoo.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup
 To: "paradox" <ddkp...@yahoo.com>, "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" 
<freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
 Date: Friday, November 18, 2016, 12:42 AM
 
 Dont know how this code
 was leaked, but in the source files it is clearly stated
 that the work is proprietary and all rights are reserved.
 
 This prevents FreeBSD
 developers (or any open source developer - say Linux kernel
 guys) from porting the code into any open source project.
 
 Just compare the license
 phrase in Broadcom source files with the one found in
 FreeBSD source files. You will see the difference (do not
 even attempt to compare it with GPL, you will get confused
 :/ )
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Adrian Chadd <adrian.ch...@gmail.com>
 To: paradox <ddkp...@yahoo.com>
 Cc: "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org"
 <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
 Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:26 AM
 Subject: Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up
 to 2011 yr sup
 
 no, we
 don't have a licence to port it open source and I
 don't have a
 licence to generate
 binaries for other people.
 
 
 
 -adrian
 
 
 On 17
 November 2016 at 14:17, paradox via freebsd-wireless
 <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
 wrote:
 > what you mean ? if we have
 broadcom sourcecode, we can't porting and use it for
 self ?
 >
 >
 
 > On Fri, 11/18/16, Fehmi Noyan ISI <fnoyan...@yahoo.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >  Subject:
 Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup
 >  To: "paradox" <ddkp...@yahoo.com>,
 "Felix Friedlander" <felixph...@gmail.com>
 >  Cc: "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org"
 <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
 >  Date: Friday, November 18, 2016, 12:03
 AM
 >
 >
 >  >>> the sourcecode can be
 porting to freebsd but
 >  not including
 to kernel
 >
 >  not
 quite sure about this... obviously enough, licences are
 >  there for a reason.
 >
 > 
 
 > 
 From: paradox via freebsd-wireless <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
 >  To: Felix Friedlander <felixph...@gmail.com>
 >
 >  Cc: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org
 >  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:42
 AM
 >  Subject: Re: sourcecode of
 broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr
 >  sup
 >
 >
 >  if Anrian already have access to source
 code of broadcom,
 >  its great ! i
 don't known about it
 >
 >  about of licensing, the sourcecode can
 be porting to freebsd
 >  but not
 including to kernel, seems many people tobe
 >  enougth this
 >
 >
 > 
 
 >  On Thu, 11/17/16, Felix Friedlander
 <felixph...@gmail.com>
 >  wrote:
 >
 >  Subject: Re: sourcecode of broadcom
 drivers up to 2011 yr
 >  sup
 >  To: "paradox" <ddkp...@yahoo.com>
 >  Cc: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org
 >  Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016, 10:32
 PM
 >
 >
 >  > On 18 Nov. 2016, at 05:36, paradox
 via
 >  freebsd-wireless
 >  <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
 >  wrote:
 >  >
 >  > seems all BCM WIFI PHY & MAC
 sourcecode of
 >  ABG/N/LP/NT/SSN
 >  > hope your can build it or take part
 for independ
 >  module
 >
 >  > MAC
 >  > 
 >https://github.com/elenril/VMG1312-B/tree/master/bcmdrivers/broadcom/net/wl/impl10/wl/sys
 >  > PHY
 >  > 
 >https://github.com/elenril/VMG1312-B/tree/master/bcmdrivers/broadcom/net/wl/impl10/wl/phy
 >
 >  There’s a
 difference between finding the code, and having
 >  a licence to use it… If I’m not
 mistaken Adrian already
 >  has access to
 the proprietary Broadcom driver through his
 >  work, it’s more of a licensing
 issue.
 >
 >  Still a
 nice find though, with this and the Cypress
 >  datasheets some things may become a bit
 easier.
 >
 >  --
 >  Felix Friedlander <felixph...@gmail.com>
 > 
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 >  freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org
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Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup

2016-11-17 Thread Adrian Chadd 
no, we don't have a licence to port it open source and I don't have a
licence to generate binaries for other people.



-adrian


On 17 November 2016 at 14:17, paradox via freebsd-wireless
<freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org> wrote:
> what you mean ? if we have broadcom sourcecode, we can't porting and use it 
> for self ?
>
> 
> On Fri, 11/18/16, Fehmi Noyan ISI <fnoyan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup
>  To: "paradox" <ddkp...@yahoo.com>, "Felix Friedlander" <felixph...@gmail.com>
>  Cc: "freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org" <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
>  Date: Friday, November 18, 2016, 12:03 AM
>
>
>  >>> the sourcecode can be porting to freebsd but
>  not including to kernel
>
>  not quite sure about this... obviously enough, licences are
>  there for a reason.
>
>  
>  From: paradox via freebsd-wireless <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
>  To: Felix Friedlander <felixph...@gmail.com>
>
>  Cc: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org
>  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:42 AM
>  Subject: Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr
>  sup
>
>
>  if Anrian already have access to source code of broadcom,
>  its great ! i don't known about it
>
>  about of licensing, the sourcecode can be porting to freebsd
>  but not including to kernel, seems many people tobe
>  enougth this
>
>
>  
>  On Thu, 11/17/16, Felix Friedlander <felixph...@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr
>  sup
>  To: "paradox" <ddkp...@yahoo.com>
>  Cc: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org
>  Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016, 10:32 PM
>
>
>  > On 18 Nov. 2016, at 05:36, paradox via
>  freebsd-wireless
>  <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > seems all BCM WIFI PHY & MAC sourcecode of
>  ABG/N/LP/NT/SSN
>  > hope your can build it or take part for independ
>  module
>
>  > MAC
>  > 
> https://github.com/elenril/VMG1312-B/tree/master/bcmdrivers/broadcom/net/wl/impl10/wl/sys
>  > PHY
>  > 
> https://github.com/elenril/VMG1312-B/tree/master/bcmdrivers/broadcom/net/wl/impl10/wl/phy
>
>  There’s a difference between finding the code, and having
>  a licence to use it… If I’m not mistaken Adrian already
>  has access to the proprietary Broadcom driver through his
>  work, it’s more of a licensing issue.
>
>  Still a nice find though, with this and the Cypress
>  datasheets some things may become a bit easier.
>
>  --
>  Felix Friedlander <felixph...@gmail.com>
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Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup

2016-11-17 Thread paradox via freebsd-wireless 
if Anrian already have access to source code of broadcom, its great ! i don't 
known about it

about of licensing, the sourcecode can be porting to freebsd but not including 
to kernel, seems many people tobe  enougth this



On Thu, 11/17/16, Felix Friedlander <felixph...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup
 To: "paradox" <ddkp...@yahoo.com>
 Cc: freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org
 Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016, 10:32 PM
 
 
 > On 18 Nov. 2016, at 05:36, paradox via freebsd-wireless
 <freebsd-wireless@freebsd.org>
 wrote:
 > 
 > seems all BCM WIFI PHY & MAC sourcecode of
 ABG/N/LP/NT/SSN
 > hope your can build it or take part for independ module
 
 > MAC
 > https://github.com/elenril/VMG1312-B/tree/master/bcmdrivers/broadcom/net/wl/impl10/wl/sys
 > PHY 
 > https://github.com/elenril/VMG1312-B/tree/master/bcmdrivers/broadcom/net/wl/impl10/wl/phy
 
 There’s a difference between finding the code, and having
 a licence to use it… If I’m not mistaken Adrian already
 has access to the proprietary Broadcom driver through his
 work, it’s more of a licensing issue.
 
 Still a nice find though, with this and the Cypress
 datasheets some things may become a bit easier.
 
 -- 
 Felix Friedlander <felixph...@gmail.com>
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Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup

2016-11-17 Thread Adrian Chadd 
Hiya,

Right - it's leaked, not official. I'd really really appreciate it if
broadcom/cyprus would just do an official source release of their
reference driver, btu that's wishing quite a lot.


-a
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Re: sourcecode of broadcom drivers up to 2011 yr sup

2016-11-17 Thread Felix Friedlander 

> On 18 Nov. 2016, at 05:36, paradox via freebsd-wireless 
>  wrote:
> 
> seems all BCM WIFI PHY & MAC sourcecode of ABG/N/LP/NT/SSN
> hope your can build it or take part for independ module 
> MAC
> https://github.com/elenril/VMG1312-B/tree/master/bcmdrivers/broadcom/net/wl/impl10/wl/sys
> PHY 
> https://github.com/elenril/VMG1312-B/tree/master/bcmdrivers/broadcom/net/wl/impl10/wl/phy

There’s a difference between finding the code, and having a licence to use it… 
If I’m not mistaken Adrian already has access to the proprietary Broadcom 
driver through his work, it’s more of a licensing issue.

Still a nice find though, with this and the Cypress datasheets some things may 
become a bit easier.

-- 
Felix Friedlander 

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