Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-22 Thread Kip Macy
 You can use microkernels[1] for almost the same thing. It's what we do
 at Technische Universität Dresden.

 Regards,
 --
 Julian Stecklina

 The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day
 they start making vacuum cleaners - Ernst Jan Plugge

 Footnotes:
 [1]  There is a sexy new microhypervisor to be released Real Soon
     Now(tm) too:
     http://eurosys09dw.systems.ethz.ch/steinberg.pdf


Based on L4Linux, I believe that the amount of work required for
porting a PV OS is much less than creating a new personality for a
microkernel. That said, isn't a hypervisor really a microkernel with
device and virtual memory abstraction API?

Cheers,
Kip
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Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-19 Thread Adrian Chadd
2009/5/19 Saifi Khan saifi.k...@twincling.org:

  . is dom0 support something that FreeBSD will target at some
   point in time or would be happy to be domU ?

If Kip (and other Xen-clueful people get funding) - and there's time -
then I bet so.

  . there was some mention of vimage/bitvisor in one of the
   slides (i think on scribd.com). So, is it that jails getting
   extended to support virtualization+containers and thus a
   entirely different approach which does not use Xen ?

These solve different problem sets. :)

People seem to think virtualisation is virtualisation. It isn't.
It depends on what kind(s) of problems you're trying to solve. Xen
solves a certain set of virtualisation problems.

  . is it envisaged that a stable NetBSD dom0 implementation
   would then be ported to FreeBSD (maybe) ?

No idea. Is it stable? :)

Personally, I'd prefer to see the FreeBSD DomU stuff 100% bulletproof
and documented before more stuff is hacked on, but as I said before,
I'm just interested in getting the current pieces into some kind of
documented shape; I'm not hacking on Xen by any stretch of the
imagination!



Adrian
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Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-19 Thread Saifi Khan
On Tue, 19 May 2009, Adrian Chadd wrote:

 
 People seem to think virtualisation is virtualisation. It isn't.
 It depends on what kind(s) of problems you're trying to solve. Xen
 solves a certain set of virtualisation problems.
 

Could you please share 'your insight' on the 
'set of virtualization problems' that Xen solves ?


thanks
Saifi.
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