Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-22 Thread Julian Stecklina
Kip Macy writes: > Based on L4Linux, I believe that the amount of work required for > porting a PV OS is much less than creating a new "personality" for a > microkernel. That said, isn't a hypervisor really a microkernel with > device and virtual memory abstraction API? OS personalities were a p

Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-22 Thread Kip Macy
> You can use microkernels[1] for almost the same thing. It's what we do > at Technische Universität Dresden. > > Regards, > -- > Julian Stecklina > > The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day > they start making vacuum cleaners - Ernst Jan Plugge > > Footnotes: > [1]

Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-22 Thread Julian Stecklina
Peter Jeremy writes: > On 2009-May-20 08:30:09 +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: >>Xen also lets you write "other" OSes without needing to care about the >>hardware. One of my friends bootstrapped a toy OS of his inside Xen. >>He can then run it on any and all Xen boxes, unmodified, regardless of >>the

Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-22 Thread Michael David Crawford
VIMAGE and jails are OS-level virtualization, orthogonal to Xen. I want to run Xen so I can build and test Ogg Frog[1] on each of the target platforms I plan to support. I built a fancy Xeon box so that I could even build and test on all the platforms simultaneously. I also operate a coup

Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-21 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2009-May-20 08:30:09 +0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: >Xen also lets you write "other" OSes without needing to care about the >hardware. One of my friends bootstrapped a toy OS of his inside Xen. >He can then run it on any and all Xen boxes, unmodified, regardless of >the underlying hardware. That re

Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-19 Thread Adrian Chadd
2009/5/20 Saifi Khan : > Could you please share 'your insight' on the > 'set of virtualization problems' that Xen solves ? Xen lets you run multiple versions of modified OSes on the same box. Each OS for the most part can treat its small pool of resources as its own. It hides the underlying hardw

Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-19 Thread Saifi Khan
On Tue, 19 May 2009, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > People seem to think "virtualisation" is "virtualisation". It isn't. > It depends on what kind(s) of problems you're trying to solve. Xen > solves a certain set of virtualisation problems. > Could you please share 'your insight' on the 'set of virtu

Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-19 Thread Adrian Chadd
2009/5/19 Saifi Khan : >  . is dom0 support something that FreeBSD will target at some >   point in time or would be happy to be domU ? If Kip (and other Xen-clueful people get funding) - and there's time - then I bet so. >  . there was some mention of vimage/bitvisor in one of the >   slides (i

Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-19 Thread Ivan Voras
2009/5/19 Saifi Khan : >  . is dom0 support something that FreeBSD will target at some >   point in time or would be happy to be domU ? I cannot speak for the developers but at BSDCan it was stated that dom0 would be a large chunk of job that deserves funding. The developers are interested. >  .

Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-18 Thread Saifi Khan
On Tue, 19 May 2009, Adrian Chadd wrote: > I don't think there's any support for Dom0 stuff in FreeBSD. > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/Xen has further information about what > is and isn't supported at this time. > > Adrian > > 2009/5/19 Saifi Khan : > > On Mon, 18 May 2009, Adrian Chadd w

Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-18 Thread Adrian Chadd
I don't think there's any support for Dom0 stuff in FreeBSD. http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/Xen has further information about what is and isn't supported at this time. Adrian 2009/5/19 Saifi Khan : > On Mon, 18 May 2009, Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> I've started documenting (mostly for my own mem

Re: My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-18 Thread Saifi Khan
On Mon, 18 May 2009, Adrian Chadd wrote: > I've started documenting (mostly for my own memory for now!) my > experiences getting a working FreeBSD-current Xen environment > together. > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/AdrianChadd/XenHackery > > Notable bits: pygrub works. :) > > Adrian Hi: What is t

My FreeBSD-current/Xen install notes

2009-05-18 Thread Adrian Chadd
I've started documenting (mostly for my own memory for now!) my experiences getting a working FreeBSD-current Xen environment together. http://wiki.freebsd.org/AdrianChadd/XenHackery Notable bits: pygrub works. :) Adrian ___ freebsd-xen@freebsd.org m