Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#16811) Re: (PR#39854) Change bug tracking system
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=16811 > On Sun, 2007-11-11 at 09:07 -0800, Per Inge Mathisen wrote: > http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=16811 > > > On Nov 11, 2007 5:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From the hosting standpoint, if freeciv.org becomes a 401c3, then it > > could collect donations so that it could pay for its own hosting if it > > had to. > > The problem has always been to find someone who could host it with an > absolutely minimum of work needed to maintain it from our end. > > Registering and maintaining a charity is almost a full time job. > > > Has anyone looked into sourceforge? > > Last I checked, it could not run bugzilla. > > - Per > Hosting Bugzilla is actually very lightweight on time intensiveness from an administrative perspective. It's now possible to give the ability to manage individual product configurations to individuals that are not administrators without giving away the keys to the rest of the installation. In the past three years, I can count on one hand the number of times I had to fix things with Bugzilla, Apache, and MySQL (Linux based). In any case, I don't really care if it's Bugzilla, Sourceforge, Trac, Jira, or something else. My point is that right now, the current issue tracking system could do a lot more to help foster contributions. Rather than spending a lot of resources fixing RT, why not use something that does a much better job meeting the needs out of the box? Kevin ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#16811) Re: (PR#39854) Change bug tracking system
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=16811 > On Nov 11, 2007 5:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From the hosting standpoint, if freeciv.org becomes a 401c3, then it > could collect donations so that it could pay for its own hosting if it > had to. The problem has always been to find someone who could host it with an absolutely minimum of work needed to maintain it from our end. Registering and maintaining a charity is almost a full time job. > Has anyone looked into sourceforge? Last I checked, it could not run bugzilla. - Per ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#16811) Re: (PR#39854) Change bug tracking system
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=16811 > On Sun, 2007-11-11 at 01:43 -0800, Erik Johansson wrote: > http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=16811 > > > On Nov 11, 2007 8:30 AM, Tautvydas Andrikys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=39854 > > > > > This bug tracking system is very simple and it is hard to track bugs, no > > milestones, no SVN view, etc.(or maybe I dont see that as reporter). > > > > I think the most important thing is hosting for the bug system, people > seems to think that the RT machine will go down anytime now (please > correct me). I will not supply hosting for the system, because I can't > promise continuity on my servers. > > /Erik > Also, with the recent release of Bugzilla 3, custom fields that may be needed for this project are now largely, a configuration option. This also includes custom workflow. On the import side, Bugzilla does support importing from XML. An email interface now comes with Bugzilla as well, though I'm not certain if it'll accept new bugs at this point (haven't used it). >From the administrative standpoint, I'll gladly teach someone who wants to know how to maintain the system. >From the hosting standpoint, if freeciv.org becomes a 401c3, then it could collect donations so that it could pay for its own hosting if it had to. Has anyone looked into sourceforge? BTW - this issue has been open for about two years and I'm wondering (honestly) if a move like this will ever happen until someone decides to kick in something to make it happen. What that something is, I don't know and as time goes on, I begin to care less and less. It's not because I don't want to see FreeCiv using an issue tracker that encourages community participation, rather it's loosing interest in spending energy trying to lead a team into something that it seems they don't want (with some exceptions like possibly DanielM). As I see it, it's not about Bugzilla vs. RT, it's about the usability of the issue tracking system in place for open source development. Searching in RT sucks in comparison to many other issue trackers (Bugzilla, Jira, ...). The way permissions are set up currently, it's difficult to participate in a way that allows a contributor to find out if an issue has already been reported, and if it has, what the current state of the issue is. Just looking at a list of bugs requires a login at this point. I could go on, but as I see it, these are barriers to more development and review resources contributing to the project. I strongly encourage current FreeCiv developers to go take a look at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ to see a running example of Bugzilla and how it's used for open-source development today. Be aware that there are companies using Bugzilla out there with over one million bugs (issues) filed in their installations (Yahoo! is tracking well over 1.5M). Kevin ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
[Freeciv-Dev] (PR#16811) Re: (PR#39854) Change bug tracking system
http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=16811 > On Nov 11, 2007 8:30 AM, Tautvydas Andrikys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=39854 > > > This bug tracking system is very simple and it is hard to track bugs, no > milestones, no SVN view, etc.(or maybe I dont see that as reporter). > I think the most important thing is hosting for the bug system, people seems to think that the RT machine will go down anytime now (please correct me). I will not supply hosting for the system, because I can't promise continuity on my servers. /Erik ___ Freeciv-dev mailing list Freeciv-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/freeciv-dev
