Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#36516) soviet.nation patch

2007-02-22 Thread Daniel Markstedt

http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 >

On 2/22/07, Christian Knoke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 >
>
> Egor Vyscrebentsov wrote on Feb 22, 01:26 (-0800):
>
> > > I think that leaders who are still alive, but definitely out of
> > > business, should be free for inclusion in the rulesets. "Out of
> > > business" might be an argueable definition (Gorbachev is, Prodi is not)
> > > but I think we can solve it. The reason to exclude active leaders is to
> > > avoid too hot political discussions about their importance. There is no
> > > need to extend this on still living ex-leaders IMHO.
> >
> > Yes, "out of business" it too non-formalistic definition.
> > To my mind, Gorbachev still acts in social and political life of Russia
> > (For example, his recent letter to Gates)
>
> What about "20 years out of business"?
>
> Christian
>

The problem is how to define and verify "out of business" -- even if a
politician is out of the international spotlight, they might still be
leading a very active political life. That why I think "one living
leader per nation" policy is a good compromise.

 ~Daniel



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Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#36516) soviet.nation patch

2007-02-22 Thread Christian Knoke

http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 >

Egor Vyscrebentsov wrote on Feb 22, 01:26 (-0800):

> > I think that leaders who are still alive, but definitely out of
> > business, should be free for inclusion in the rulesets. "Out of
> > business" might be an argueable definition (Gorbachev is, Prodi is not)
> > but I think we can solve it. The reason to exclude active leaders is to
> > avoid too hot political discussions about their importance. There is no
> > need to extend this on still living ex-leaders IMHO.
> 
> Yes, "out of business" it too non-formalistic definition.
> To my mind, Gorbachev still acts in social and political life of Russia
> (For example, his recent letter to Gates)

What about "20 years out of business"?

Christian

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Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#36516) soviet.nation patch

2007-02-22 Thread Daniil Ivanov

http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 >

We can embedd Firefox into the Freeciv to show Wikipedia
page for the nation :D

On 22/02/07, Egor Vyscrebentsov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 >
>
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 Christian Knoke wrote:
>
> [skip/]
> > I think that leaders who are still alive, but definitely out of
> > business, should be free for inclusion in the rulesets. "Out of
> > business" might be an argueable definition (Gorbachev is, Prodi is not)
> > but I think we can solve it. The reason to exclude active leaders is to
> > avoid too hot political discussions about their importance. There is no
> > need to extend this on still living ex-leaders IMHO.
>
> Yes, "out of business" it too non-formalistic definition.
> To my mind, Gorbachev still acts in social and political life of Russia
> (For example, his recent letter to Gates)
>
> > And, FWIW, I think Gorbachev earns a mention in the ruleset.
>
> A mention - yes. Place in leader list - not now. This is my private
> opinion, of course.
>
> PS [2Daniel? and others]: Maybe it would be nice to have more long
> nation legends, that will be accessible through in-game help?
>
> --
> Thanks, evyscr
>
>
>



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Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#36516) soviet.nation patch

2007-02-22 Thread Egor Vyscrebentsov

http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 >

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 Christian Knoke wrote:

[skip/]
> I think that leaders who are still alive, but definitely out of
> business, should be free for inclusion in the rulesets. "Out of
> business" might be an argueable definition (Gorbachev is, Prodi is not)
> but I think we can solve it. The reason to exclude active leaders is to
> avoid too hot political discussions about their importance. There is no
> need to extend this on still living ex-leaders IMHO.

Yes, "out of business" it too non-formalistic definition.
To my mind, Gorbachev still acts in social and political life of Russia
(For example, his recent letter to Gates)

> And, FWIW, I think Gorbachev earns a mention in the ruleset.

A mention - yes. Place in leader list - not now. This is my private
opinion, of course.

PS [2Daniel? and others]: Maybe it would be nice to have more long
nation legends, that will be accessible through in-game help?

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Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#36516) soviet.nation patch

2007-02-21 Thread Daniil Ivanov

http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 >

Okay.

On 21/02/07, Egor Vyscrebentsov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 >
>
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:52:23 -0800 Daniil Ivanov wrote:
>
> >  I made a patch for soviet.nation.
> >  Two last leaders added (Chernenko & Gorbachev).
> >  Also Kollontai was added, soviet diplomat
> >  and social feminist (as there are so few females).
>
> M.S. Gorbachov is currently living person.
> Chernenko was, well, not so good _leader_.
>
> That is why they were not in list.
>
> --
> Thanks, evyscr
>
>
>



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Re: [Freeciv-Dev] (PR#36516) soviet.nation patch

2007-02-21 Thread Egor Vyscrebentsov

http://bugs.freeciv.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=36516 >

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:52:23 -0800 Daniil Ivanov wrote:

>  I made a patch for soviet.nation.
>  Two last leaders added (Chernenko & Gorbachev).
>  Also Kollontai was added, soviet diplomat
>  and social feminist (as there are so few females).

M.S. Gorbachov is currently living person.
Chernenko was, well, not so good _leader_.

That is why they were not in list.

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