uality board, where rpi is in the lowest end with
design choices like USB-based ethernet and USB-based power.
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Quoting Iain Cheyne (2018-03-16 21:48:54)
> @jonas - which do you use?
Olimex LIME2, as linked from
https://wiki.debian.org/CheapServerBoxHardware (without NAND or eMMC).
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Quoting Iain Cheyne (2018-03-16 19:15:32)
> Which hardware is best for *compatibility*, regardless of cost or power?
Devices most Free - i.e. Beaglebone and Olimex LIME and Olimex LIME2.
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Quoting Mikkel Kirkgaard Nielsen (2018-02-14 13:40:01)
> On 2018-02-13 18:40, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quoting Josh Blagden (2018-02-13 17:08:56)
>>> I think the Banana Pi BPI-R2 would be a great board
>>> http://www.banana-pi.com/eacp_view.asp?id=104.
>> Las
me time ago) that board lacked a box and its
price was so high that it would likely become too expensive if adding a
box.
More info here: https://wiki.debian.org/CheapServerBoxHardware
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How does it compare with haveged, already in Debian?
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Please note that arguably your system then no longer is a FreedomBox but
a general Debian system: An essential point of FreedomBox is to be dead
simple which arguably excludes editing configuration files at all.
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nt and
help edit).
If instead you want to make something _like_ FreedomBox work on Raspbian
then I guess that is great too - but please discuss that with the
developers of Raspbian which is not here.
Hope that helps :-)
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> support, AFAIK (tho for some reason it's limited to 50MB/s of write
> throughput).
Agreed. Thanks for chiming in :-)
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Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2017-10-23 14:22:53)
> ¹ User-oriented talk about rustworthy computers, at MiniDebconf part
> of Capitole du Libre:
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/fr/2017/Toulouse
*Trustworthy" computers.
Sorry for the confusing typo. Rust is really interesti
: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/fr/2017/Toulouse
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point out to you that developers of FreedomBox has a
different (even opposite) focus than yours when you explore "turning
lots of knobs" on your system. Enjoy!
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> Hardware wise microSD are not that reliable[1], but I don't see it as
> something that cannot be coped with, especially when:
> - Many of the supported hardware can boot from SPI flash, NAND, or
> eMMC[2], which are more reliable.
> - In the worst case scenario, o
> Because of this, I believe it would be a mistake to replace Weblate
> with Transifex.
I wholeheartedly agree.
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ime packaging code is better spent in Debian than
(more "messy" as you call it) outside of Debian. Exactly because code
unfit for Debian is less likely to be long-term maintainable, and the
time invested in packaging therefore more likely to be wasted.
That said, I certainly encoura
s real and not
replaceable by upstreams or myself.
I notice your email domain is Montreal.ca - if you are around there in
August, I hope to meet you in person: https://debconf17.debconf.org/ :-)
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ility for e.g. Google
to track search patterns of the FreedomBox owner, compared to other
approaches (e.g. compare the difference of accessing Google via Tor and
accessing Google/Bing/whatever fewer times each but _not_ bia Tor).
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age in testing, you have now occupied the staging area for a
bugfix :-(
Too late now, but beware of this for other packages and next freeze.
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p://linux-sunxi.org/Mainline_NAND_Howto
Details too geeky for me seemingly also covering U-boot:
http://linux-sunxi.org/MTD_Driver
Just avoid that board - pick a non-storage-glued-on board or the eMMC
board instead!
Hope that helps,
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s of data, I recommend the Olimex OLinuXino LIME2 (either
the eMMC or non-builtin-flash flavors - avoid the 4GB NAND flavor!).
For lighter use I recommend the Olimex OLinuXino Lime (either the A10 or
the A20 variants).
More info here: https://wiki.debian.org/CheapServerBoxHardware
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plicit mention
of "suggesting" at their web page.
I therefore consider it unlikely for the Free Software Foundation to
endors FreedomBox on their list - but hey, if anyone wants to try,
please do go ahead - other distros based on Ubuntu which is undoubtedly
less free is on that list, so anythi
Quoting Rick (2017-04-09 02:18:57)
> Oh. Maybe when you referred to my "precious" email it was a typo?
O, Indeed it was a typo: - I meant to write _previous_!
Sorry for the (unintended!) offense - I can see how that was rude.
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Quoting Rick (2017-04-08 20:35:27)
> Oh, it's not below!
>
> I seem to be too undisciplined, for this group. I'll find something
> else to do.
Sorry you feel that way.
I certainly didn't mean to bully you by my writing style.
Hope you reconsider...
Regards,
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Quoting Rick (2017-04-08 16:55:51)
> That wasn't my intent, no, but I do it all the time.
Good. Then please re-post your precious email to the list.
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Did you have in mind a framework generally usable for designing UIs with
SVG (as opposed to creating a concrete design internally and offering
only the product specifically tailored for FreedomBox)?
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y" - did
you perhaps provide a wrong URL - or maybe forgot to push your local
git?
Hope you are having lots of activity and lots of fun this weekend!
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> 2) https://github.com/freedombox/Plinth/issues/760
Can we please track Freedombox issues at our Debian bugtracker?
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st majority of those
"thousands" of login attemts for random non-root accounts.
So perhaps you are vasting your time complicating matters.
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Quoting Bhuvan Krishna (2017-03-06 11:20:07)
> On Monday 06 March 2017 03:30 PM, Sunil Mohan Adapa wrote:
>> On Friday 03 March 2017 12:04 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> We did manage to find a couple of suppliers. We almost didn't get
>&
too, not only features, when comparing these tools: In my (brief,
somewhat dated) testing of Groovebasin I found it to be consuming quite
a lot of resources compared to mpd. Would be sad to provide a single
tool that covers both streaming and local-playing needs but does the
latter far inferior
gt; gave lot of inputs on how to improve and take forward FreedomBox.
Ah, understood.
Your work is an inspiration!
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Quoting Sunil Mohan Adapa (2017-03-02 19:08:20)
> On 03/02/2017 04:03 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > I notice in your text that an Olimex board was used. Cool!
>
> Certainly a +1 to OSHW there :)
>
> >
> > As I understand, there are few if any distributors of O
he boards to encourage distributors to put
those boards on the shelves: Is your report on a website somewhere? One
way to make noise is to pass a web page (preferrably easy consumable
with a few pictures) to Olimex, to encourage them re-posting on their
blog.
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Quoting Petter Reinholdtsen (2017-01-26 06:49:35)
> [Jonas Smedegaard]
>> The recent blog posts are essentially about configuring a Jabber
>> server to support the features of the Android-based Jabber client
>> Conversations.
>
> Yes, but it is also about configur
a couple of ejabberd systems
for several years without experiencing a single spim but that might
simply be because I am not as exciting a target as debian.org). I fail
to see the reason for switching to a server known to have issues with
spim.
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d (last March) to using
> > flash-kernel to set up the boot script.
>
> Wonderful, James, I am in and on kernel 4.8.0-2. Now, to switch to using
> flash-kernel, should I reconfig this kernel? The system will do so with
> the next update anyway, I guess.
If the dpkg-reconfigur
Quoting permondes - sagen (2017-01-07 15:21:36)
> Am Samstag, den 07.01.2017, 14:59 +0100 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard:
> > Quoting permondes - sagen (2017-01-07 14:31:34)
> > > Am Samstag, den 07.01.2017, 18:24 +0530 schrieb Sunil Mohan Adapa:
> > > > On 01/07/2017 06:
quot;.
* "860x0" family Motorola hardware includes "m68k".
* "PowerPC" family Apple/IBM hardware includes "powerpc" and "ppc64".
* some family of ARM hardware includes "armel", "armhf" and "arm64".
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Quoting permondes - sagen (2017-01-07 10:39:28)
> Am Samstag, den 07.01.2017, 12:17 +0530 schrieb Sunil Mohan Adapa:
>
> > On 01/07/2017 05:43 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > [...]
> > >> So it is still booting the 4.3 kernel, which is unknown to aptitude.
> >
-4.3.0-1-armmp-lpae
>
> So it is still booting the 4.3 kernel, which is unknown to aptitude.
Seems your hardware is ARM-based. Commonly ARM-based hardware need the
package flashkernel to copy installed kernel + initramfs to the
different (hardware-specific) location where the bootloader
port, it makes sense to post a
message to this mailinglist with the bugreport number, to invite people
here to join that other discussion at the bugreport. But not to discuss
the details of that bugreport here.
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Default setup is sensible, in my opinion!
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Quoting Nick Daly (2016-09-05 19:51:55)
> Jonas Smedegaard <d...@jones.dk> writes:
>> Quoting Nick Daly (2016-09-04 21:27:25)
>>> - The [ODroid-XU4] seems sturdy and fast. Really nice hardware.
>>
>> Do I recall correctly that the "fast" part com
Hi Nick,
Quoting Nick Daly (2016-09-04 21:27:25)
> - The [ODroid-XU4] seems sturdy and fast. Really nice hardware.
Do I recall correctly that the "fast" part come with the price of
needing a fan?
Thanks for sharing, in any case.
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Quoting Sunil Mohan Adapa (2016-05-31 19:21:56)
> On 05/31/2016 10:35 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> [...]
>> Uhm, I do not like the "applies to all pages old and new" part of
>> above: Only new pages makes sense: I believe the only possible ways
>> to change li
of replacement page license that)
The only discussion I can imagine sensibly leading to imposing license
on all _old_ content is a discussion where _all_ copyright holders were
present and _all_ agreed unanimously to relicense. If that was the
case, I see no need for this kind of announcemen
ase consult - and maintain - our wiki page tracking which projects
covers which needs and what needs doing for FreedomBox inclusion:
https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/LeavingTheCloud
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aining purely official packages yet a mixture of outdated and
up-to-date ones - e.g. using reprepro.
But if you want to help develop FreedomBox, then please stop circumvent
problems but face them and either let go of the code or help fix the
issues: https://packages.qa.debian.org/owncloud
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P.
A non-PHP web-client available in Debian is Cider Webmail.
A challenge is how to handle spam fully automated (again: It is a
Freedombox so you have to assume no sysadmin is available).
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the postgresql-db, the driver is
> presumably trying to connect to, but to no avail.
>
> What can i do to debug this?
You should probably file a bugreport about it.
...but beware that owncloud is being removed from Debian:
https://bugs.debian.org/816376
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when stretch is released and my debian/bananian
> is upgraded.
An alternative, if you want, is to try install Stretch from scratch.
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aptop.org/go/SDCard_Testing (you may also find the
more general NAND_Testing page interesting).
> I did a little bit of testing on an old 2 GB Sandisk card, but
> performance figures stayed roughly the same.
Try deliberately force bad values, to learn how badly (or not) it
affects perf
ut insted comparable to the breed of devices popularized by the
Rikomagic mk802 (except the zero comes with zero casing).
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and/or a battery - the board can use both simultanously:
https://www.olimex.com/wiki/A20-OLinuXino-LIME2#Power_supply_and_consumption
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Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2015-11-06 12:41:52)
> Quoting Elena ``of Valhalla'' Grandi (2015-11-06 09:30:21)
>> On 2015-11-06 at 02:03:43 +, f wrote:
>>> So I'm happy to give the LIME2 board a try although I'm thinking to
>>> take the MICRO variant which has a 4gb
(unless you wanna chainload - boot a NAND-capable botloader from uSD).
[other comments snipped - they are all spot on]
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FreedomBox, which is to keep the log files locally at the user and
therefore run the *server* at the user.
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ovide a PDF of their board design - which
may be good enough to make an identical copy but not enough to fork (is
it complex to rewire when you don't have the source for _computing_ the
layout of electrical wiring.
NB! I am *not* an expert in ARM boards, and some of above is hearsay.
Please do
considered, in my opinion.
Do any mesh networking protocol work reliably today without
administration at all? Any of those in Debian? With the configuration
currently setup by the Debian package?
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Quoting Elena ``of Valhalla'' Grandi (2015-10-08 14:09:40)
> On 2015-10-08 at 13:25:57 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Do any mesh networking protocol work reliably today without
> > administration at all? Any of those in Debian? With the configuration
> > currentl
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what im paying for...
As I understand it, you pay for the bandwidth flowing via the pagekite
proxying service.
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Quoting Walter van Holst (2015-01-14 16:07:30)
On 2015-01-14 15:36, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
What I propose *now* is to raise the bar at a _board_ being OSHW
compliant. That excludes both Raspberry Pi boards (even if future
boards from same vendor is likely to be OSHW compliant) and also
Quoting Walter van Holst (2015-01-14 14:07:56)
On 2015-01-14 13:17, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
What is the take of the Freedom Box project on the boundary problem
in open hardware? Especially the lower boundary? At what lower level
would such a requirement stop being applied?
Interesting
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Quoting Walter van Holst (2015-01-14 12:03:02)
On 2015-01-14 10:36, Jens Thiele wrote:
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk writes:
We could add a requirement that the board must be Open Hardware.
That would leave us with 12 options from 3 vendors.
+1 for this one
What
Quoting Sunil Mohan Adapa (2015-01-14 06:25:17)
On Wednesday 14 January 2015 03:42 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quoting Sunil Mohan Adapa (2015-01-13 21:05:38)
On Wednesday 14 January 2015 01:08 AM, Blibbet wrote:
To me it is unsuitable for a FreedomBox due to firmware, which is
probably UEFI
principles
disconnected from current FreedomBox and currently available boards in a
separate thread, please).
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Quoting Melvin Carvalho (2015-01-13 22:38:47)
On 13 January 2015 at 14:46, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
Quoting Melvin Carvalho (2015-01-13 10:57:04)
I was wondering if this could be a candidate for a freedom box
device?
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/compute-stick/intel
Quoting Blibbet (2015-01-13 23:34:42)
On 01/13/2015 02:12 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quoting Sunil Mohan Adapa (2015-01-13 21:05:38)
On Wednesday 14 January 2015 01:08 AM, Blibbet wrote:
To me it is unsuitable for a FreedomBox due to firmware, which is
probably UEFI-based if hardware
its central hib but also addon functionality specific to FreedomBox.
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it. I am also eyeing Nginx.
I recommend to try use uwsgi - that allows separation of application
configuration from frontend web serving configuration (i.e. tuning of
Apache or Nginx or for development using uwsgi's own web serving).
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Quoting Sunil Mohan Adapa (2014-11-08 17:11:17)
On Saturday 08 November 2014 03:48 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
[...]
I recommend to try use uwsgi - that allows separation of application
configuration from frontend web serving configuration (i.e. tuning of
Apache or Nginx or for development
Quoting Markus Sabadello (2014-10-22 02:31:15)
On 10/22/2014 02:06 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quoting Markus Sabadello (2014-10-22 01:29:15)
So the message would basically be you can get one, you can try to
use it and learn about it, but don't rely on it.
I noticed you just discussed how
that with
the people who ran it.
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[Jonas Smedegaard]
Seems to me systemd is still avoidable by installing systemd-shim.
Nope. Trying to install sysvinit-core again will try to install
systemd-shim, but remove firewalld, freedombox-setup, libpam-systemd,
policykit-1
on that box)
...but that's just me. It really depends quite essentially on what you
mean by FreedomBox, and I shall not judge you on that.
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you might also find this list interesting:
http://listcultures.org/mailman/listinfo/unlike-us_listcultures.org
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issues with this approach?
[Jonas Smedegaard]
Well, if it works then maybe it will keep working.
I just worry that manpage seems to describe a different intent.
If that work, jwchat is broken, as the setting on disk is supposed to
override the debconf value and preseeding like that is only
any issues with this approach?
[Jonas Smedegaard]
Well, if it works then maybe it will keep working.
I just worry that manpage seems to describe a different intent.
If that work, jwchat is broken, as the setting on disk is supposed to
override the debconf value and preseeding like
Quoting Anders Jackson (2014-04-17 13:14:56)
Den 17 apr 2014 11:25 skrev Jonas Smedegaard [1]d...@jones.dk:
Quoting Petter Reinholdtsen (2014-04-17 08:20:22)
If that work, jwchat is broken,
[snip]
Ahh, now I realize what your point is: Declaring and applying must be
done together - so
Quoting Anders Jackson (2014-04-17 23:51:30)
2014-04-17 14:19 GMT+02:00 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk:
Quoting Anders Jackson (2014-04-17 13:14:56)
Den 17 apr 2014 11:25 skrev Jonas Smedegaard [1]d...@jones.dk:
Quoting Petter Reinholdtsen (2014-04-17 08:20:22)
If that work, jwchat is broken
Quoting Nick Daly (2014-04-16 01:08:20)
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk writes:
When Plinth directly edits configuration files, it is an
administrators' tool.
Solution is to have Plinth only ever communicate with debconf!
...and convince various package maintainers (e.g. by offering
-interactive - we could
then update https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Build/DebconfConfig to
refer to that instead of the debconf page which is for the more common
interactive use.
Any volunteers?
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Quoting Sunil Mohan (2014-04-16 20:12:33)
On Tuesday 15 April 2014 03:35 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
[...]
When Plinth directly edits configuration files, it is an
administrators' tool.
Solution is to have Plinth only ever communicate with debconf!
I can see that many uses cases
Quoting James Valleroy (2014-04-17 02:39:13)
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
Second is specific to Plinth, and should be documented in manpages
of debconf. For an equivalent implemented in shell it would involve
debconf-set-selections and debconf
Quoting Petter Reinholdtsen (2014-04-15 08:24:20)
[Jonas Smedegaard 2010-09-01 13:07:45]
I strongly recommend FreedomBox to be a Debian thing, rather than an
on-top-of-Debian thing. I.e. *not* act on configfiles from a sysadmin
point of view but as part of Debian, obeying Debian Policy which
about that very issue on this list. Here's
an early example (few months after birth of the list):
Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2010-09-01 13:07:45)
I strongly recommend FreedomBox to be a Debian thing, rather than an
on-top-of-Debian thing. I.e. *not* act on configfiles from a sysadmin
point
secure and possibly less efficient).
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is to add it here:
https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/LeavingTheCloud
...and next after that is to nurse its course through the Debian bug
tracker - as hinted how to start with at above wiki page.
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Quoting Nick Daly (2013-12-28 02:08:39)
Bdale Garbee bd...@gag.com writes:
Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk writes:
Ok. Makes good sense to mandate use of shared auth mechanism. Not
convinced LDAP is the ideal for that, though.
...Clearly not critical path, but this is another possible
to use of eth0 or eth1 depends on the hardware and what name
udev gives the device.
Which Dreamplug boxes uses eth0, and which uses eth1?
We can use ifrename to dictate network device names from a configfile
instead of from semi-random udev choice at initial boot.
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