[Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Ladislav Lacina
It seems that FreeDOS project is in another crisis now. There is nobody who develops kernel (compatibility with MS-DOS is still not perfect), we still lack some disk utilities for FAT32 and so on. There is too small number of active FreeDOS developers. But there is also group around another DOS

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Ladislav Lacina wrote: It seems that FreeDOS project is in another crisis now. There is nobody who develops kernel (compatibility with MS-DOS is still not perfect), we still lack some disk utilities for FAT32 and so on. There is too small number of active FreeDOS

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Florian Xaver
Hi! Some words from me (sent to Jim, but don'T know if he get/read it): Please remove from freedos.org: To run old DOS games (like DOOM, etc.) To run old business software that only supports DOS The word old is very bad! Why should be somebody interested in FreeDOS, if it is only for old

Re: [Freedos-devel] d-flat

2007-03-29 Thread tom ehlert
Hello Oleg, btw: Does somebody know, which TUI library OSL2000 Boot Manager (http://www.osloader.com/) is using? It looks like the one from Norton Tools (the graphical fonts seems to be the same). Norton's 'graphical' fonts are standard BIOS fonts (using no special fonts at all) Norton

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Ladislav Lacina
Well I do develop 2036, but nobody said there was a MS DOS compat issue. I found compatibility issue with MGL demos from Scitech: ftp://ftp.scitechsoft.com/devel/demos/dos (there are 2D accelerated demo programs for DOS) It works without problems under MS-DOS 7.10 but not under FreeDOS. Japheth

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Jim Hall
Yes, I got this email from you, but it's been crazy busy where I work, so I haven't had time for long replies to anyone. And your email seemed like it would be a long reply. Anyway, to comment on what you mention below: On 3/29/07, Florian Xaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Some words from

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Japheth
Hello, That is a very interesting suggestion. Japheth writes that DOS should hook int 19 and remove its own handlers if int 19 is triggered. Int 19 is what a FDAPM HOTBOOT would call, too. We can definitely tell FreeDOS to do as MS DOS 7 does (remove interrupt handlers, STACKS, and move

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Japheth
tom ehlert wrote: and a non-free xxDOS kernel is completely useless to me (and many others) anyway. Why? Just because it is not free (which seems to be an unreasonable reason :) ) or are there other reasons? - Take

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Alain M.
Ladislav Lacina escreveu: Why? I still use FreeDOS and I don't plan to switch to DRDOS. (DRDOS is incompatible with my boot manager) DR-DOS has a bug about partitions. It will work if DR-DOS is placeded in a partition both first phisicaly and primary Alain

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Alain M.
I agree that old is ugly. I use FreeDOS for new and big programs, with databases of a few Giga bytes on superfast Pentium-4 and AMDs And I plan to use for many years more... Which other system allows to intall a full system from bare metal in half an hour by phone, with an *unskilled*

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Alain M.
FreeDOS also quite slow copies files (read speed daemon related posts on EDR-DOS lists) Kernel related or related to the COPY or XCOPY commands only? Which side of the process is slow, reading or writing? I believe that this is a veeery old (many years) problem and it has been fixed, but

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Alain M.
Japheth escreveu: Why? Just because it is not free (which seems to be an unreasonable reason :) ) or are there other reasons? We use it in the real world, with real users. Not only for personal curiosity. Either 1) it is free or 2) we buy it. The free one is good for all we need. No

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Aitor SantamarĂ­a
Jim suggested classic, another word (perhaps more precise) that comes to my mind is legacy, but I'm not saying I like it better, I just post the idea. Aitor 2007/3/29, Alain M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree that old is ugly. I use FreeDOS for new and big programs, with databases of a few Giga

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Ladislav Lacina
DR-DOS 7.3 really hasn't FAT32 support and isn't free but we don't discuss this system. The theme of the day is Enhanced DR-DOS (EDR-DOS) which has origin in OpenDOS 7.1 and is free. The license isn't GNU, it is something different and a little bit restriced but it is free. And it has FAT32

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Jim Hall wrote: This has always been my vision: Post 1.0, I'd also like to see more utilities to make it possible to replicate some of the advanced features we take for granted in modern operating systems, such as Linux. I want to revive GNUish and replicate a modern

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Ladislav Lacina
I wrote about usability of DOS quite long article for one czech e-zin. I don't have the energy to translate it into english so I'll write only few points: There are three groups of DOS users: 1) people with old hardware - they don't have another option than using DOS system. Such PC's are very

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Aitor Santamar?a wrote: Jim suggested classic, another word (perhaps more precise) that comes to my mind is legacy, but I'm not saying I like it better, I just post the idea. How about classic, legacy and also new ? I don't see any reason DOS should be limited to being a

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Jim Hall
I am not specifically against OpenDOS or DR-DOS (use whatever DOS you like) but I prefer my DOS to be more open and free than that. The OpenDOS license is look, but do not touch. For example, in the OpenDOS license agreement, in part 4 (relating to source code) it says: Caldera grants you a

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Ladislav, These demos work perfectly under MS-DOS. I can't test it under EDR-DOS In FreeDOS I get the message Graphics driver wasn't loaded. Well it worked for me, see the detailled explanations below. ftp://ftp.scitechsoft.com/devel/demos/dos I got the mglgears thing, which shows

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Lyrical Nanoha
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, Alain M. wrote: In fact I made my own distro. It's a single floppy, single language and install exactly where MS-DOS did: in C:\DOS Some time ago, I tried to talk about that kind of distro, but every one wanted a big, too-full, graphic, and I don't know what... so I made

Re: [Freedos-devel] Come visit EDR-DOS sites!

2007-03-29 Thread Mark Bailey
Hi Alain: I am very interested and in fact I have done just this a couple of times. The FreeDOS installer installs a LOT more than I need to run my DOS programs. It also doesn't allow control of the destination partition. I would use a current, single-floppy FreeDOS distribution. Maybe we need