Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS floppy edition boot disk lacks an editor?
> You really don't want a 160 kb editor on a floppy (unless you copy it > to a RAM disk). copying it to a RAM disk will require 1 or 2 seconds every time you boot this floppy. starting this from floppy requires 1 or 2 seconds every time you use the editor - usually less often then you use to boot this very floppy - remember we are about editing CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT. YMMV of course for editing CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT some 3-10KB editor should probably do as well. Tom ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS floppy edition boot disk lacks an editor?
Hi, On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 8:58 AM Bret Johnson wrote: > > FWIW, the one I use is also called TED and is an old utility from PC > Magazine. The executable is only about 3 kB > (way smaller than the EDLIN that comes with MS-DOS) and is a VERY basic text > editor with a TUI > (it's not a line-oriented interface like EDLIN so is more intuitive to use). > It gets the job done efficiently for things like > editing CONFIG.SYS & AUTOEXEC.BAT. I used e3-16 (Wordstar keys) since it was super tiny (roughly 3 kb), but it was limited to CR+LF files and max 32 kb, which is imperfect. But for boot disks it was great in a pinch. Besides executable size (and license, ugh), you also have to worry about key bindings. I also like SteVIe (a vi clone), which is quite good in various ways. My normal favorite TDE also has a real-mode version, but I probably wouldn't prefer that (nor even an older version) for floppies. You really don't want a 160 kb editor on a floppy (unless you copy it to a RAM disk). ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
[Freedos-devel] clamav - remove or not remove?
Hi, as the actual FDT2212 once again has the older virus definition database (version 51, latest usable version for FD is version 54 without daily.csv) and only clamscan files on board I wonder if it makes sense to keep this "as is" , to update it or to remove it completely. I have reported about this theme already two times, but for not reproducable reasons there is no change till now. At: https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/system/clamav/ there are three different files: a) clamav (command line virus scanner) ca. 3 MB b) clamdbx (database) ca. 23 MB c) fdav ca. 700 kB I created a newer version: d) clamdbx 54 (database) ca. 30 MB To make the virus checker work FD needs ca. 128 MB RAM. As FDT2212 Bonus CD contains a) and b) with a size of 26 MB, it would not use much more space to add fdav 0.2.2 in the same folder, a GUI for virus checking. This tool was created by Blair Dude, his website is https://sites.google.com/site/blairdude/home, there was no more activity since in about 2010. I created an update of the ver 54 database for Jerome Shidel / FD. He told me that it has to be discussed by the FD developer group if he can add it or not. OK. No problem, but as long as clamav with database is on the Bonus CD it makes no sense in my eyes to leave 700 kB GUI away whereas the older database and the command line file is inside. You can discuss about the question if it makes sense to update the database for "this old OS". No problem too. But could you at least add a copy of v54 database at ibiblio so that users can decide themselve which version they want to use? Thanks. Fritz / Willi ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS floppy edition boot disk lacks an editor?
FWIW, the one I use is also called TED and is an old utility from PC Magazine. The executable is only about 3 kB (way smaller than the EDLIN that comes with MS-DOS) and is a VERY basic text editor with a TUI (it's not a line-oriented interface like EDLIN so is more intuitive to use). It gets the job done efficiently for things like editing CONFIG.SYS & AUTOEXEC.BAT. ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] FreeDOS floppy edition boot disk lacks an editor?
Hi Ralf, thank for the advise. I have a copy of David King’s TED lying around which I tend to use in such situations. The binary is 12KiB. In this case, the license probably speaks against the integration. https://texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Ted3 From a user-friendliness point of view, my personal opinion is that an editor should be included if possible. At least regarding the 1,44M floppy edition there is 815KB free space on the boot disk. Greetings, Bernd > Am 05.12.2022 um 05:00 schrieb Ralf Quint : > > On 12/2/2022 1:38 PM, Bernd Boeckmann via Freedos-devel wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> last time I installed FreeDOS from floppy disk set I was in need for an >> editor to edit some system filed but did not find one on the boot disk. Is >> that an oversight of mine or is this by intention? I found that very >> inconvenient. Perhaps there is a way to include at least minimal editing >> capabilities for updating system config files etc. >> >> Greetings, >> Bernd > > Haven't tried the boot floppy myself in quite a while, but the main issue > could simply be space on the floppy disk. Not sure how big everyone's (welll, > at least Gregory's) favorite editor EDLIN is (and totally tired a a couple of > minutes before midnight, I am not feeling like looking it up), but a DOS > version of joe (kind of Wordstar editor clone) is something around 35-36KB, > which would give you basic full screen editing if you wanted to copy one on > the disk yourself (and if there is space enough on it)... > > Ralf > > > > > ___ > Freedos-devel mailing list > Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
