[Freedos-devel] suggestion - add fdshell to freedos 1.1

2011-07-17 Thread Eric Auer
Hi, some suggestion to comment on the list :-) From marinelluccia1 tiscali.it: Hi at all, please remember to include in distro 1.1 a shell for freedos. i suggest freedos shell from Emanuele Cipolla http://fdshell.sourceforge.net/ because it's more standard doshell clone i've found. Emanuele

Re: [Freedos-devel] Updates to software list

2011-07-17 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! XMGR. HIMEMX (AFAICT) has no maintainer (and/or we really need to push out that jmp $+2 fix for old 386s, i.e. unofficial version 3.33, In other words, Japheth took over HIMEMX but does not add the patch? www.freedos.org/software/ To be completely honest, please don't take this the

Re: [Freedos-devel] provox dos screen reader

2011-07-17 Thread Travis Siegel
On Jul 16, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Rugxulo wrote: Included with this zip file is the a86 assembler used to compile the code, which obviously would need to be removed for the freedos distribution copy, since it's a completely separate application. Just for the record, A86 is shareware, so in

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-17 Thread Eric Auer
Hi again Rugxulo, So VMware needs PCNET? VirtualBox needs AMDPD? QEMU needs NE2000? Anybody know BOCHS? (Yes, I'm assuming more re: emulation than real hardware here, isn't that reasonable?) Bochs emulates a bad(?) NE2000 and a nonstandard PCI Pseudo NIC for which an Etherboot driver exists

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-17 Thread Jim Hall
Most attractive to average users (rough guess): Mpxplay Bret's USB CuteMouse mTCP + common packet drivers Arachne WGET Mined GNU Emacs Perl Python OpenGem OpenWatcom + NASM FreeDoom + Eternity Engine HXRT + HXGUI p7zip DJGPP (GCC + GPP + Watt-32) UIDE + XMGR + RDISK + SHCDX33E

Re: [Freedos-devel] Updates to software list

2011-07-17 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On 7/17/11, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: XMGR. HIMEMX (AFAICT) has no maintainer (and/or we really need to push out that jmp $+2 fix for old 386s, i.e. unofficial version 3.33, In other words, Japheth took over HIMEMX but does not add the patch? No. In fact, he has explicitly

Re: [Freedos-devel] provox dos screen reader

2011-07-17 Thread Jim Hall
The provox screen reader for dos which I would like to have added to the freedos ftp site is currently located at: http://www.thesiegelsnest.us/provox/provox7.zip [...] Included with this zip file is the a86 assembler used to compile the code, which obviously would need to be removed for the

Re: [Freedos-devel] provox dos screen reader

2011-07-17 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On 7/17/11, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote: I own the registered copy of a86, and I know 4.05 is the latest. I didn't write the provox program, merely took it over from it's original author. Apparently, 3.22 is the version used for development. Another reason why I figured it

Re: [Freedos-devel] Updates to software list

2011-07-17 Thread Jim Hall
To be completely honest, please don't take this the wrong way, but some of those I literally never use (or can't remember how!): * append * assign [...] The idea of BASE is to provide at least clones of all commands that MS DOS users had in their standard installation of MS DOS, while of

Re: [Freedos-devel] Updates to software list

2011-07-17 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On 7/17/11, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Comp: You are right, FC replaces it. Well, yes, I know all (most?) DOSes have both, but FC can do ASCII (default) or binary (/b), so I don't ever use COMP. In DOS 2-4, PC DOS had COMP (which it had

Re: [Freedos-devel] suggestion - add fdshell to freedos 1.1

2011-07-17 Thread Jim Hall
I don't know that I've used this DOSSHELL before. I just tried it now, and once I got used to the key commands, it seemed easy to use, and very nice. The source requires Microsoft BASIC Compiler to build. Is there a free version of Microsoft BASIC Compiler (DOS) out there? I haven't found it on

Re: [Freedos-devel] Updates to software list

2011-07-17 Thread Jim Hall
But, IIRC, this was verbatim the version from OpenWatcom. My point was that people who are developers already have it (or similar). If we're going to include it, we should also include link (like MS-DOS used to). Also, there's no DOSSHELL or BASIC there either, and nobody complained. So some

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-17 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On 7/17/11, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote: Most attractive to average users (rough guess): While I'm glad to see enthusiasm for what the next FreeDOS distro should include, and you've got a lot of interesting stuff above, I'll point out that this is a classic example of scope creep.

Re: [Freedos-devel] suggestion - add fdshell to freedos 1.1

2011-07-17 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On 7/17/11, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote: I don't know that I've used this DOSSHELL before. I just tried it now, and once I got used to the key commands, it seemed easy to use, and very nice. It looks okay, but it's fairly minimal. I'd heavily prefer Doszip, honestly. The source

Re: [Freedos-devel] provox dos screen reader

2011-07-17 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On 7/17/11, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote: The provox screen reader for dos which I would like to have added to the freedos ftp site is currently located at: [...] Included with this zip file is the a86 assembler used to compile Just for the record, A86 is shareware, so in theory

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-17 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 17-7-2011 23:23, Rugxulo schreef: This was merely an exercise at naming popular, i.e. heavily-desired, apps that most common users might probably want. It is not intended to reflect my own goofy needs. And besides, most of these already were in FD 1.0, so nyah. ;-) For a full CD it's

Re: [Freedos-devel] suggestion - add fdshell to freedos 1.1

2011-07-17 Thread Steve Nickolas
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011, Rugxulo wrote: Hi, On 7/17/11, Jim Hall jh...@freedos.org wrote: I don't know that I've used this DOSSHELL before. I just tried it now, and once I got used to the key commands, it seemed easy to use, and very nice. It looks okay, but it's fairly minimal. I'd heavily

Re: [Freedos-devel] suggestion - add fdshell to freedos 1.1

2011-07-17 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 17-7-2011 23:01, Jim Hall schreef: To keep FreeDOS free we need to use free software tools wherever possible. That's why we encourage NASM and OpenWatcom, and other free tools. We have a few programs still that use Borland's TurboC compiler, but I believe this is still available for free

Re: [Freedos-devel] provox dos screen reader

2011-07-17 Thread Travis Siegel
On Jul 17, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Rugxulo wrote: However, DTC.LIB doesn't seem to have sources, but I'm not sure what exactly that does or if it's needed or what the deal is, so we'll have to wait for Travis to explain that. (Perhaps that is the optional hardware synthesizer part??) Hmm, good

Re: [Freedos-devel] Testing evaluating the 1.1 release

2011-07-17 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On 7/17/11, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl wrote: Op 17-7-2011 23:23, Rugxulo schreef: This was merely an exercise at naming popular, i.e. heavily-desired, apps that most common users might probably want. It is not intended to reflect my own goofy needs. And besides, most of these already

Re: [Freedos-devel] suggestion - add fdshell to freedos 1.1

2011-07-17 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On 7/17/11, Steve Nickolas lyricalnan...@usotsuki.hoshinet.org wrote: On Sun, 17 Jul 2011, Rugxulo wrote: Doszip at least can build with OpenWatcom and JWasm, so that's good. Can the 16-bit version of DOS Navigator be made to build on OpenWatcom? That's a pretty good shell (Norton