Re: [Freedos-devel] UNIX fortune for DOS
On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: > > On 9/30/2018 1:02 AM, Steve Nickolas wrote: >> >> >> Pretty much same. Some port of fortune from BSD... I don't see that as a >> big deal, it can find a place in FreeDOS. Random pong clone #262143, that's >> a bit different. >> >> -uso. > > freedos-user would IMHO a much better place to post about things like this > than freedos-devel... > > I think it's okay to post about programming for FreeDOS. I don't think it's out of line for stecdose to tell us about a program that's runs on FreeDOS. The email lists page (http://www.freedos.org/lists/) describes the email lists this way: Freedos-user Do you have a question about FreeDOS, or need help installing? Freedos-user is the place for general FreeDOS discussion. Freedos-devel Are you interested in writing programs for FreeDOS? Freedos-devel is for developers, developers, developers! Freedos-kernel Do you want to contribute to the FreeDOS kernel? Freedos-kernel is aimed at FreeDOS kernel developers. So it's okay to use Freedos-devel to talk about writing programs for FreeDOS, or porting programs to FreeDOS. Freedos-user would also be a good place to announce programs like this, since it's not asking for help from other developers. (But I'll admit that pong and fortune are pretty simple programs, not likely to garner much interest these days.) Jim ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] UNIX fortune for DOS
On 9/30/2018 1:02 AM, Steve Nickolas wrote: Pretty much same. Some port of fortune from BSD... I don't see that as a big deal, it can find a place in FreeDOS. Random pong clone #262143, that's a bit different. -uso. freedos-user would IMHO a much better place to post about things like this than freedos-devel... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] UNIX fortune for DOS
On Sun, 30 Sep 2018, Mateusz Viste wrote: On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 17:18:20 -0500, Rugxulo wrote: Tom, I am not aware of anybody else (Jim or Eric, for example) ever specifying that this mailing list (freedos-devel) is only for development of FreeDOS proper and not for development on or targeting FreeDOS. While I don't necessarily share the view that this mailing list needs to be exclusively about elitist FreeDOS development, I do think that it should be a list at least about (DOS) development. Announcements of random new micro-projects is not development. Unless the post would be "I hit a problem in my fortune program which leads to crash and I don't get what's going on", or the project would be helpful to developers (like some neat library, or a new compiler or what not) but here it's not. Simple announcements are, I think, better posted to the user list, and/or to comp.os.msdos.apps, comp.os.msdos.misc & alt.os.free-dos. When I subscribe a devel list, I expect low activity, but on the rare occasions when there is activity at all I expect it to be actually interesting. Mateusz Pretty much same. Some port of fortune from BSD... I don't see that as a big deal, it can find a place in FreeDOS. Random pong clone #262143, that's a bit different. -uso. ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] UNIX fortune for DOS
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 17:18:20 -0500, Rugxulo wrote: > Tom, I am not aware of anybody else (Jim or Eric, for example) ever > specifying that this mailing list (freedos-devel) is only for > development of FreeDOS proper and not for development on or targeting > FreeDOS. While I don't necessarily share the view that this mailing list needs to be exclusively about elitist FreeDOS development, I do think that it should be a list at least about (DOS) development. Announcements of random new micro-projects is not development. Unless the post would be "I hit a problem in my fortune program which leads to crash and I don't get what's going on", or the project would be helpful to developers (like some neat library, or a new compiler or what not) but here it's not. Simple announcements are, I think, better posted to the user list, and/or to comp.os.msdos.apps, comp.os.msdos.misc & alt.os.free-dos. When I subscribe a devel list, I expect low activity, but on the rare occasions when there is activity at all I expect it to be actually interesting. Mateusz -- FreeDOS is present on the USENET, too! alt.os.free-dos ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] UNIX fortune for DOS
Hello Rugxulo, In other words, you're saying only development of the operating system itself should be discussed here, not third-party userland stuff?? Somehow I disagree, and again, if this is so bothersome to you, set a filter on your email client. There's already too few developers, and we don't need to discourage them just because someone else can't be bothered to ignore an email that clearly says what it's about in the subject. Personally, I do not see why a "fortune" program for DOS can never be considered part of FreeDOS, unlike, say, text editors. But that is just my opinion. Hello Mr. Nils, I hope it is bug-free, at least as much it can be. If you like, add it to freedos distribution, but I am aware that it still needs some improvements. Maybe later, when bugs are fixed and improvements are done... I tried compiling your "fortune" code with my fork of IA-16 GCC, and it did uncover some issues with the code (GCC generally does have better error reporting than BCC). I will try to upload some fixes for these soon. Thank you! -- https://github.com/tkchia ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] UNIX fortune for DOS
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018, Rugxulo wrote: I almost also said "or Steve" because I do consider your opinion important. Well, there's a reason I don't do much more than lurk. A few years ago - after I'd made any semi-important contributions - I started digging into MS-DOS to see how it worked. Needless to say, that's why I no longer even try to help with base, which is what I feel is the most essential part of the OS. (This is also how I know as much as I do about the history of MS-DOS - and can say what fits the "3.31" baseline, the "5.0" baseline, the "6.22" baseline and the "7.1" baseline.) I've stuck around for probably close to 20 years now, but there's really not much I can do other than provide opinions or research data. Still, this can come in handy now and then, so I'll post once in a while if I feel I have something to offer. -uso. ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] UNIX fortune for DOS
Hi, On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 6:22 PM Steve Nickolas wrote: > > For what it's worth, I actually agree with Tom here, not that I've > actually given anything of real significance to the FreeDOS project (other > than the single disk distro I did 15 years ago). I almost also said "or Steve" because I do consider your opinion important. If Jim (and/or Eric) agrees, then the description of "freedos-devel" needs to be clarified. "Are you interested in writing programs for FreeDOS? Freedos-devel is for developers, developers, developers!" (Certainly that reference is to Ballmer and Windows, where development of the OS itself is off-limits except to certain MS employees. So the call for more developers there almost certainly means userland stuff. Granted, even then, Tom could prefer talking about bundled OS utils like "FIND" or "DEBUG" rather than third-party stuff like "FORTUNE".) Because it was far from obvious, to me, that this list was ever meant to be so narrow in focus. To me, "development" is for everything involving code, compilers, etc. (as long as indirectly related to DOS, of course). It's not like we have that many posters, so I don't know why Tom is so overwhelmed! ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] UNIX fortune for DOS
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018, Rugxulo wrote: Tom, I am not aware of anybody else (Jim or Eric, for example) ever specifying that this mailing list (freedos-devel) is only for development of FreeDOS proper and not for development on or targeting FreeDOS. In other words, you're saying only development of the operating system itself should be discussed here, not third-party userland stuff?? Somehow I disagree, and again, if this is so bothersome to you, set a filter on your email client. I would prefer that some other important members (Bart or Jeremy) publicly agreed with you before we (accidentally?) scare off anybody who is actively trying to contribute. Again, it is not obvious to me that this particular mailing list is already (or must forcibly be) so narrow in focus. For what it's worth, I actually agree with Tom here, not that I've actually given anything of real significance to the FreeDOS project (other than the single disk distro I did 15 years ago). -uso. ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] UNIX fortune for DOS
Hi, On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 5:10 PM Tom Ehlert wrote: > > Dear Nils, > > > If something is unclear, please respond :) > > this mailing list is about FreeDOS development. > > please stop spamming the list with your projects because you are > bored. We are not. Tom, I am not aware of anybody else (Jim or Eric, for example) ever specifying that this mailing list (freedos-devel) is only for development of FreeDOS proper and not for development on or targeting FreeDOS. In other words, you're saying only development of the operating system itself should be discussed here, not third-party userland stuff?? Somehow I disagree, and again, if this is so bothersome to you, set a filter on your email client. There's already too few developers, and we don't need to discourage them just because someone else can't be bothered to ignore an email that clearly says what it's about in the subject. Granted, maybe if Jim agrees, you'd have half a point, and these discussions can be moved to freedos-user instead. Honestly, I don't see the difference, and I don't feel the extreme anguish that you feel at all these dozens of horribly inconvenient messages. I would prefer that some other important members (Bart or Jeremy) publicly agreed with you before we (accidentally?) scare off anybody who is actively trying to contribute. Again, it is not obvious to me that this particular mailing list is already (or must forcibly be) so narrow in focus. ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
Re: [Freedos-devel] UNIX fortune for DOS
Dear Nils, > If something is unclear, please respond :) this mailing list is about FreeDOS development. please stop spamming the list with your projects because you are bored. We are not. thanks. Tom ___ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
