Re: [Freedos-user] Super Charging Windows 3.1 ?
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 10:38:29 -0700 Ralf Quint wrote: > On 6/9/2022 8:55 AM, Roderick Klein wrote: > All references and possible downloads for anything DOS and Windows <= > 3.11 has been removed from Microsoft's web site(s) at least 10 years > ago. By that time, pretty much all application and driver support > from 3rd parties has evaporated as well. There is a full mirror torrent of ftp.microsoft.com on archive.org before it disappeared. You'll find all the DOS, Windows 3.x and early Windows 95 stuff distributed by m$ on there, including quite a few esoteric drivers (I've seen browsing through it). The problem with DOS based Windows releases in my experience is that they are extremely crash prone because of their hackish engineering to be polite. And the more you pile up "fixes" and "add-ons" (including those provided by m$ itself), the less they will work without crashing every five minutes. To have a decent experience with any of these you're going to have to carefully select the hardware you're going to use them with, to have access to decently written drivers (which was far from always being the case). And you're going to want to avoid trying to install every fix available because those fixes were designed to be installed on an "as needed" basis and were not part of a stream of "windows updates" to be installed everywhere. Better yet, if you like the Windows 3.x shell, go with NT 3.51. If you like the Windows 95 shell, go with NT 4.0. It will save you a lot of frustration. -- GPG: C90CAB7122AC1231 pgpXzDck531ip.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Reply to keyboard issue and debug
I tried the Debug Eric and it works gret for the keyboards except that one wired keyboard. Quite odd one wired keyboard doesn’t allow repeats but others do. On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 14:53 wrote: > Send Freedos-user mailing list submissions to > freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freedos-user-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Freedos-user digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Keyboard issue - wondering about typematic rate for > keyboard repeats in different VMs and emulators (Eric Auer) >2. Keyboard issue (Fixed) (Daniel) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 20:48:48 +0200 > From: Eric Auer > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Keyboard issue - wondering about typematic > rate for keyboard repeats in different VMs and emulators > Message-ID: <78d3dc5d-719f-0f6f-70ff-19cf63ca6...@jpberlin.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > Tom, > > >> In DOS I was able to press and hold a key and the key would repeat. > >> Great for arrow and page keys.? For some reason this stopped workin > > > > wow. one of these Asshole from Hell questions: > > > > no information what DOS we are talkink about. > > > > no information whatsoever about CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT. > > I somehow liked Dennis' way of asking for more context and details > better :-p However, I also have a technical question about Daniel's > technical question :-) > > Daniel, you could do the following to test whether explicitly setting > keyboard repeat (typematic rate, see RBIL = Ralf Browns Interrupt List) > to maximum speed and the delay to minimum has any effect on your real or > virtual hardware. For this, you start DEBUG, then type: > > acs:100 > mov ax,0305 > mov bx, > int 16 > int 20 > > g > q > > Note that you have to press return twice between "int 20" and "g". > > For the lowest possible speed and the longest delay before repeating > starts, you write "031f" instead of "" in the "mov bx,..." line. > > Interestingly, it seems to make no difference in DOSEMU2 which of the > two values I use for BX. It probably just uses the keyboard repeat > settings from Linux, without letting me a custom different rate just for > the DOSEMU2 window. > > So I would be keen to know which of the other DOS systems people here > are using do or do not support changing the typematic rate aka keyboard > repeat rate. In particular, I guess that real hardware often supports > this, while running DOS on a virtual computer in a window could be less > likely to offer support for this setting? > > Thanks for testing! Regards, Eric > > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 14:52:47 -0400 > From: Daniel > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Freedos-user] Keyboard issue (Fixed) > Message-ID: > < > cafbn1xvlprozwsgzeymgbc1m5c06cu-3uruxunacl92vxr9...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Nice response Tom. Next time don?t be so shy and really let the language > fly, but ya did have a good point if not good language. > > 1) Real DOS on bare metal runnin msdos 7.1. I have had this happen on > FreeDOS as well. > > 2) Config.sys and autoexec bat are the same and nothin there has changed. > > Fix: The fix was a simple one yet quite odd, in my opinion. Apparently > while one keyboard will allow me to hold down a key and it repeats, another > keyboard wasn?t allowing me to do it. Not sure why that is. I found out > this was the issue when it was suggested I try another keyboard. > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 14:37 > wrote: > > > Send Freedos-user mailing list submissions to > > freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > freedos-user-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Freedos-user digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >1. Keyboard issue (Daniel) > >2. Re: Keyboard issue (dmccunney) > >3. Re: Keyboard issue (tom ehlert) > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 13:45:13 -0400 > > From: Daniel > > To:
[Freedos-user] Keyboard issue (Fixed)
Nice response Tom. Next time don’t be so shy and really let the language fly, but ya did have a good point if not good language. 1) Real DOS on bare metal runnin msdos 7.1. I have had this happen on FreeDOS as well. 2) Config.sys and autoexec bat are the same and nothin there has changed. Fix: The fix was a simple one yet quite odd, in my opinion. Apparently while one keyboard will allow me to hold down a key and it repeats, another keyboard wasn’t allowing me to do it. Not sure why that is. I found out this was the issue when it was suggested I try another keyboard. On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 14:37 wrote: > Send Freedos-user mailing list submissions to > freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freedos-user-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Freedos-user digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Keyboard issue (Daniel) >2. Re: Keyboard issue (dmccunney) >3. Re: Keyboard issue (tom ehlert) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 13:45:13 -0400 > From: Daniel > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Freedos-user] Keyboard issue > Message-ID: > u5hmdmd34wbk7...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > In DOS I was able to press and hold a key and the key would repeat. Great > for arrow and page keys. For some reason this stopped workin and I can > only press a key once and holdin a key would do nothin. > > Does anyone know how to fix this? > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 08:27 > wrote: > > > Send Freedos-user mailing list submissions to > > freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > freedos-user-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Freedos-user digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >1. Re: Super Charging Windows 3.1 ? (Andrew Robins) > >2. Re: Super Charging Windows 3.1 ? (Aitor Santamar?a) > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 12:30:22 +1000 > > From: "Andrew Robins" > > To: "Chai Chang Kai via Freedos-user" > > > > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Super Charging Windows 3.1 ? > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi Martin, > > I don't have the expertise as others already voicing their tips, but I > > would like to give a big shout-out to *Plug-In for Windows* 2.60, > produced > > by the brave fellows at Plannet Crafters, Inc, back in the 90's. I loved > > that software and was a happy supporter despite knowing they were soon to > > be overwhelmed by the Windows98 juggernaut. Brilliant set of bling tools > > (e.g., loads of right-click options on the empty desktop), I was able to > > skip Win95 entirely with this little beauty. > > Still have my 486 DX in storage, awaiting resurrection - such was the joy > > that "Plug-In" brought me. > > > > Available on vetusware I understand - but I have kept my original copies > > and registration codes etc... how sad is that? > > :) > > > > Andrew Robins > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, at 12:02 AM, Martin Iturbide wrote: > > > Hello > > > > > > I was wondering if you know some links, articles, hints about all the > > software and fixes that can be installed on Windows 3.1 .Like if someone > > did the exercise on how he will tune/pimp his own Windows 3.1 today. > > > > > > There are many articles on how to install Windows 3.1 plain and check > > what that OS offered at that time, but I can not find someone that > > recommends what patches and software to install today on it, or what was > > the awesome software for Windows 3.1 that we used to have in the past. > Like > > if someone will try to bring the 16bit Windows to the max. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > -- > > > Mart?n It?rbide > > > > > > http://www.os2world.com > > > mar...@os2world.com > > > martiniturb...@gmail.com > > > Quito - Ecuador > > > > > > ___ > > > Freedos-user mailing list > > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > > > -- next part -- > > An HTML attachment was
Re: [Freedos-user] Keyboard issue - wondering about typematic rate for keyboard repeats in different VMs and emulators
Tom, In DOS I was able to press and hold a key and the key would repeat. Great for arrow and page keys. For some reason this stopped workin wow. one of these Asshole from Hell questions: no information what DOS we are talkink about. no information whatsoever about CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT. I somehow liked Dennis' way of asking for more context and details better :-p However, I also have a technical question about Daniel's technical question :-) Daniel, you could do the following to test whether explicitly setting keyboard repeat (typematic rate, see RBIL = Ralf Browns Interrupt List) to maximum speed and the delay to minimum has any effect on your real or virtual hardware. For this, you start DEBUG, then type: acs:100 mov ax,0305 mov bx, int 16 int 20 g q Note that you have to press return twice between "int 20" and "g". For the lowest possible speed and the longest delay before repeating starts, you write "031f" instead of "" in the "mov bx,..." line. Interestingly, it seems to make no difference in DOSEMU2 which of the two values I use for BX. It probably just uses the keyboard repeat settings from Linux, without letting me a custom different rate just for the DOSEMU2 window. So I would be keen to know which of the other DOS systems people here are using do or do not support changing the typematic rate aka keyboard repeat rate. In particular, I guess that real hardware often supports this, while running DOS on a virtual computer in a window could be less likely to offer support for this setting? Thanks for testing! Regards, Eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Keyboard issue
> In DOS I was able to press and hold a key and the key would repeat. > Great for arrow and page keys. For some reason this stopped workin wow. one of these Asshole from Hell questions: no information what DOS we are talkink about. no information whatsoever about CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT. good luck Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Keyboard issue
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 1:47 PM Daniel wrote: > > In DOS I was able to press and hold a key and the key would repeat. Great > for arrow and page keys. For some reason this stopped workin and I can only > press a key once and holdin a key would do nothin. > > Does anyone know how to fix this? What's your environment? Are you running DOS on the bare metal on an older PC, or are you running in an emulator or a virtual machine? Was it working before? When did it stop working? What changed between wen it worked and when it didn't? If you are running DOS in an emulator or VM, the problem probably isn't in DOS itself, it's in the environment in which it runs. Without knowing what that is, it's hard to suggest dixes, __ Dennis ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Keyboard issue
In DOS I was able to press and hold a key and the key would repeat. Great for arrow and page keys. For some reason this stopped workin and I can only press a key once and holdin a key would do nothin. Does anyone know how to fix this? On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 08:27 wrote: > Send Freedos-user mailing list submissions to > freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freedos-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freedos-user-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Freedos-user digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Super Charging Windows 3.1 ? (Andrew Robins) >2. Re: Super Charging Windows 3.1 ? (Aitor Santamar?a) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 12:30:22 +1000 > From: "Andrew Robins" > To: "Chai Chang Kai via Freedos-user" > > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Super Charging Windows 3.1 ? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Martin, > I don't have the expertise as others already voicing their tips, but I > would like to give a big shout-out to *Plug-In for Windows* 2.60, produced > by the brave fellows at Plannet Crafters, Inc, back in the 90's. I loved > that software and was a happy supporter despite knowing they were soon to > be overwhelmed by the Windows98 juggernaut. Brilliant set of bling tools > (e.g., loads of right-click options on the empty desktop), I was able to > skip Win95 entirely with this little beauty. > Still have my 486 DX in storage, awaiting resurrection - such was the joy > that "Plug-In" brought me. > > Available on vetusware I understand - but I have kept my original copies > and registration codes etc... how sad is that? > :) > > Andrew Robins > > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, at 12:02 AM, Martin Iturbide wrote: > > Hello > > > > I was wondering if you know some links, articles, hints about all the > software and fixes that can be installed on Windows 3.1 .Like if someone > did the exercise on how he will tune/pimp his own Windows 3.1 today. > > > > There are many articles on how to install Windows 3.1 plain and check > what that OS offered at that time, but I can not find someone that > recommends what patches and software to install today on it, or what was > the awesome software for Windows 3.1 that we used to have in the past. Like > if someone will try to bring the 16bit Windows to the max. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Regards > > > > -- > > Mart?n It?rbide > > > > http://www.os2world.com > > mar...@os2world.com > > martiniturb...@gmail.com > > Quito - Ecuador > > > > ___ > > Freedos-user mailing list > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 11:04:51 +0200 > From: Aitor Santamar?a > To: "Discussion and general questions about FreeDOS." > > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Super Charging Windows 3.1 ? > Message-ID: > nfskgeugo7rxhrnb3x8cvsv...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > My small contribution here: I've always found cool (but not tried myself) > the Calmira project: make your Windows 3.X look like Windows 9X, or even > WinXP: > > http://www.calmira.de/ > > Have fun, > Aitor > > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 16:04, Martin Iturbide > wrote: > > > Hello > > > > I was wondering if you know some links, articles, hints about all the > > software and fixes that can be installed on Windows 3.1 .Like if someone > > did the exercise on how he will tune/pimp his own Windows 3.1 today. > > > > There are many articles on how to install Windows 3.1 plain and check > what > > that OS offered at that time, but I can not find someone that recommends > > what patches and software to install today on it, or what was the awesome > > software for Windows 3.1 that we used to have in the past. Like if > someone > > will try to bring the 16bit Windows to the max. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Regards > > > > -- > > Mart?n It?rbide > > http://www.os2world.com > > mar...@os2world.com > > martiniturb...@gmail.com > > Quito - Ecuador > > ___ > > Freedos-user mailing list > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > -- > > > > -- > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ___ >
Re: [Freedos-user] Super Charging Windows 3.1 ?
My small contribution here: I've always found cool (but not tried myself) the Calmira project: make your Windows 3.X look like Windows 9X, or even WinXP: http://www.calmira.de/ Have fun, Aitor On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 16:04, Martin Iturbide wrote: > Hello > > I was wondering if you know some links, articles, hints about all the > software and fixes that can be installed on Windows 3.1 .Like if someone > did the exercise on how he will tune/pimp his own Windows 3.1 today. > > There are many articles on how to install Windows 3.1 plain and check what > that OS offered at that time, but I can not find someone that recommends > what patches and software to install today on it, or what was the awesome > software for Windows 3.1 that we used to have in the past. Like if someone > will try to bring the 16bit Windows to the max. > > Any ideas? > > Regards > > -- > Martín Itúrbide > http://www.os2world.com > mar...@os2world.com > martiniturb...@gmail.com > Quito - Ecuador > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
