Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-30 Thread Mateusz Viste
Hi all,

My $0.02 - I totally agree with Denis here, that it's too late to create 
new shiny editors for DOS. After a few decennies, people got used to 
what they had, and they probably won't be willing to learn how to use a 
new editor. That's why any editor that appears should try to to get 
close to whatever people are using nowadays.

Myself, I used for many years the simple Microsoft Editor that came 
bundled with MS-DOS. A few years back, I even started a GPL project t 
recreate the look'n'feel of this editor in an open variant:
http://www.viste-family.net/mateusz/dos/en/msedit.htm

(the above is still experimental, written in FreeBASIC, and altough it 
appearts on my todo list to continue it someday, it's unlikely to happen 
in the few coming years due to extreme shortage of my available time :/ )

Mateusz





On 01/29/2013 10:33 PM, dmccunney wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Евгений Нежданов copperm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Hi all, dear FreeDOS community members! I please answer all to my questions:
 1. You want to have in the FreeDOS distribute more powerful text editor as
 standard text editor?

 No.  The default is fine.  The whole world doesn't need all the
 features you list below.  They just want to do simple edits on files.
 the best editor will be the one similar to what they are already
 familiar with that will let them edit with a minimal learning curve.

 2. These editor must be only 8086 or can be 80386 (8086 machines used only
 by nostalgy value by museum staffs)?

 8086 compatibilty would be nice for those using FreeDOS on ancient hardware.

 3. Editor must be written on the Pascal or BASIC language? I convinced that
 the C language is does not work properly with the strings.

 Learn more about C.  Most editors these days are written in C/C++.
 It's handling of strings differs from Pascal, but that does not make
 it unsuitable as an implementation language.

 As for BASIC, bad enough to code in it.

 4. Editor must be have:
 4.1. Calculator;
 4.2. ASCII table;
 4.11. Calendar.

 The question is whether they should be wrapped in a UI.  The RHIDE
 product available with FreeDOS has these, selectable from a Borland
 Turbo style UI.

 If you don't insist on wrapping them in a UI, it's easier to have them
 as separate utilities available in a sub-shell.

 4.3. Inbuild cyrillic font;





 4.4. Support to external fonts;

 4.5. Support the copy/paste;
 4.6. Support the block selection;
 4.7. Support the line selection;
 4.8. Support the paragraph formatting;
 4.9. Support the change case of the selected text;


 4.10. Have a inbuild BASIC language interpretter;

 Why?

 5. Editor must be work in the graphics or text mode?

 Text is fine.  I see no use case for graphics mode.

 6. Editor in what license type:
 6.1. GNU GPL v2;
 6.2. GNU GPL v3;
 6.3. Apache license;
 6.4. BSD license;
 6.5. EULA.
 Please all vote of this.
 Previously thank for voting!

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Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-30 Thread dmccunney
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 4:01 AM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net wrote:

 My $0.02 - I totally agree with Denis here, that it's too late to create
 new shiny editors for DOS.

That reply got sent by accident partially composed.

I don't think it's too late.  I just can't see anyone bothering.
There are already a plethora of editors for DOS, and likely one that
will meet your needs.

The issue is that most are not open source and cannot be distributed
*with* FreeDOS.

But no matter what you do, you won't get *one* that will meet everyone's needs.

 After a few decennies, people got used to
 what they had, and they probably won't be willing to learn how to use a
 new editor. That's why any editor that appears should try to to get
 close to whatever people are using nowadays.

No DOS editor will be close.  The defacto standard is probably Windows Notepad.

The default editor shipped with FreeDOS is a reasonable compromise.
It resembles the editor MS provided with MS-DOS, and a menu driven
interface.  The OP wants something more powerful as the default.  Save
for a built-in BASIC interpreter, that largely already exists in
RHIDE, but that uses DJGPP and requires a 386 CPU.  If you insist on
8066 compatibility, you may be SOL.

I'm actually more interested in what editors people *do* use under
FreeDOS, and why they use them than I am in some hypothetical new
product.

 Mateusz
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Re: [Freedos-user] New standard FreeDOS text editor - what it should be (voting)?

2013-01-30 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 10:56 AM 1/30/2013, dmccunney wrote:
I'm actually more interested in what editors people *do* use under
FreeDOS, and why they use them than I am in some hypothetical new
product.
Well, I am using the same editor(s) that I have always/long time used 
in MS-DOS/PC-DOS for +25 years...

For small things, I usually use my own adaptation of the BINED editor 
of Borland's Turbo Pascal Editor Toolbox.
It's a 63KB .EXE file of which about 20KB are actually directly 
attached overlays and help file.
Can edit up to 60KB of text (with lines up to 249 characters) faster 
than pretty much anything else, using an expanded WordStar/Borland 
keyboard layout

If I need to do anything larger than that, I use the SEE editor that 
came with DeSmet C. That one handles files larger than available RAM 
(no XMS or EMS though), the largest file that I have probably used 
with it was around 8MB...

Both run just fine from anything from an 8088/8086 CPU on upwards... ;-)

Ralf



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