Re: [Freedos-user] DOS based mail clients

2023-11-27 Thread Jose Senna via Freedos-user


 Bret Johnson said:
 > The second difference is that IMAP is designed
 > to be used in a client-server configuration where
 > the e-mails stay stored on the server...

  But they also remain in the server if the POP3 client
  does not send the DELE command.


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS or DOS based mail clients

2023-11-27 Thread Bret Johnson via Freedos-user
My understanding is that there are two major differences between POP and IMAP.  
The first is that POP only allows one-way communication (downloading from the 
server to the client) so there is no synchronization mechanism.  If you 
download the same e-mail to multiple devices, each one can be set up 
differently (specifically in terms of folders).  When you want to send mail, 
you must use a different protocol (SMTP).

The second difference is that IMAP is designed to be used in a client-server 
configuration where the e-mails stay stored on the server and are never 
actually downloaded (at least not permanently) to the client.  That allows 
access to the same e-mail account from multiple devices and there is only one 
"real" copy of the e-mail (stored on the server).  Programs like MS Outlook can 
store a local cached version of the e-mail, and there can be a lot of 
complication involved in making sure the cache stays synchronized with reality 
(what's on the server is "reality").

There are advantages and disadvantages to each approach.


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS or DOS based mail clients

2023-11-27 Thread Eric Auer via Freedos-user



Hi Jose,


  > PS: The older POP3 only allowed access to the inbox,
  > while IMAP also allows access to your other mail folders,
  > so I expect most mail providers to support IMAP now.

   I thought that folders were a client-side
  convention, and mail (POP3, IMAP) servers kept
  all incoming mail to one address together.


Folders are something managed on the server and you
can use either IMAP or webmail to access them.

With POP3, you can only access the inbox, so you
would have to use the client to move individual
mails to folders stored on your local disk. The
mails in those client side folders would not be
visible on other devices or webmail, so I assume
and hope that most providers support IMAP today,
so all devices can share the same folders :-)

According to the google support website, IMAP
will always be active for gmail in the future.

No idea how old the article is - probably the
future already is now :-) In the past, one had
to manually enable it using some online menu.

The google support website recommends that you
do not store sent mail on the server manually,
as sending mails via google will automatically
do that already. It also recommends to save
drafts, but not deleted mails on the server and
it recommends to not move deleted mails to the
trash can folder, as they would get permanently
deletted after a month in the trash can and
google prefers old mails to stay forever :-p
It recommends that you set your client to just
mark deleted mails as deleted where they are.

Servers for Gmail:

smtp.gmail.com TLS port 587 or SSL port 465.

imap.gmail.com SSL port 993.

pop.gmail.com SSL port 995 (but IMAP is better).

Use the email address as user name to log in.

Regards, Eric




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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS or DOS based mail clients

2023-11-27 Thread Jose Senna via Freedos-user
  This is not strictly a DOS remark;
 it applies to any e-mail but I think it
 can appear here.

  Eric Auer said:

 > PS: The older POP3 only allowed access to the inbox,
 > while IMAP also allows access to your other mail folders,
 > so I expect most mail providers to support IMAP now.

  I thought that folders were a client-side
 convention, and mail (POP3, IMAP) servers kept
 all incoming mail to one address together.
  Webmail, that uses http(s) to access mail as
 links in a webpage is another story.



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