Re: [Freedos-user] Dial-up emulation

[Jose Senna via Freedos-user]

Robert Riebisch said:
> This collection of **packet drivers** is still available at
> . And packet drivers are typically for
> Ethernet network cards, not modems.

Thank you for pointing that most modems do
not need device drivers. I had not used
one for over 10 years. External modems mostly
use a COM port and internal ones emulate one in
hardware/firmware. But they still need dialers
and use packet drivers for internet access.
This is what LSPPP and DOSPPP are all about.
Maybe there aren"t PPP packet drivers in Crynwr;
I did not look.

This is, however, a digression from the
Brandon Taylor problem. Why does he want
to use dial-up emulation for internet access?
He did not mention what kind of physical
network his computer is connected to,



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Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS display correctly the â

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hello.

Thank you, i'll switch on my laptop.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 1:18 AM Jose Senna via Freedos-user <
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>  I also had this problem, For some reason, the ã
> is missing from codepage 850. I use codepage 860
> instead, which is the "official" Portuguese codepage.
>  Or you may use Windows-1252 codepage, if this is
> available.
>
>
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[Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS display correctly the â

[Jose Senna via Freedos-user]

 I also had this problem, For some reason, the ã
is missing from codepage 850. I use codepage 860 
instead, which is the "official" Portuguese codepage.
 Or you may use Windows-1252 codepage, if this is
available. 



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Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS correctly display the "ã" character?

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hello.

So, whats the code for Portugal Portuguese?

Thank you.

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 6:43 PM Jim Hall via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Davi Ramos wrote:
> >> > The "ã" is a very common character in Portuguese. It shows up in words
> >> > such as "não", "alçapão", and "órgão".
> >> >
> >> > The system's keyboard and layout are already configured to "br" (for
> >> > Brazilian Portuguese) and working perfectly. Other accentuated
> >> > characters display just fine. That is the case of "á", "à", "ô".
> >> > However, "ã" shows as something else entirely. Image below:
> >> > oIh6TW8.png
> >> >
> >> > How can I get FreeDOS to correctly display those characters?
>
>
> Vacek Nules wrote:
> >
> > Hi Davi,
> >
> > Your codepage is probably set to CP437, which does not contain the
> > "ã" character. Change your codepage to CP850 (or CP858 if you also
> > need the Euro sign) and try again.
>
>
> That's what I was going to suggest too. Looks like Brazilian
> Portuguese is codepage 850? So I think Davi also needs to enter these
> commands to set up the display for 850:
>
> display con=(ega,850,1)
> mode con cp prep=((850) C:\freedos\cpi\ega.cpx)
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS correctly display the "ã" character?

[Davi Ramos via Freedos-user]

That did it! "ã" and other tilde-accentuated characters are displaying
perfectly now. Thanks!

Although I cannot say I understand the fix, it did work and now all
tilde-accentuated characters work fine everywhere in FreeDOS.

I had to change "fdos" to "freedos" since that is how the directory is
actually called on this version.  I added the fix to FDAUTO.BAT, which I
assume is FreeDOS version of AUTOEXEC.BAT.

LH DISPLAY CON=(EGA,,1)
> MODE CON CP PREP=((858) C:\FREEDOS\cpi\EGA.CPX)
> MODE CON CP SEL=858


Is that an okay place to put those settings?

Thanks!

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 3:41 PM Eric Auer via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

>
> Hi Robert and Davi,
>
> >> The system's keyboard and layout are already configured to "br" (for
> >> Brazilian Portuguese) and working perfectly. Other accentuated
> >> characters display just fine. That is the case of "á", "à", "ô".
> >> However, "ã" shows as something else entirely. Image below:
> >> oIh6TW8.png
> >>
> >> How can I get FreeDOS to correctly display those characters?
>
> You probably have to load DISPLAY and use MODE to set the codepage
> to load a font which has all accented characters at the place where
> your already Brazilian keyboard configuration expects them :-)
>
> See the HTMLHELP system for details. There should also be some
> examples on the web. It should work similar to this:
>
> First, load the DISPLAY thing. You can do this in your autoexec
> to load it automatically at boot, or manually at the prompt:
>
> LH DISPLAY CON=(EGA,,1)
> rem or maybe for example DISPLAY CON=(EGA,858,1) or similar?
>
> Second, use MODE CON CODEPAGE (shorthand MODE CON CP also
> works) to first prepare (shorthand PREP) and then select
> (shorthand SEL) the codepage for your country.
>
> In my example the codepage is 858, which happens to be in
> EGA.CPX, which is a compressed version of EGA.CPI - some
> less common codepages will probably be in other CPX files.
>
> MODE CON CP PREP=((858) C:\FDOS\cpi\EGA.CPX)
>
> MODE CON CP SEL=858
>
> You can do those two MODE invocations in autoexec or at
> the prompt as well. You can use MODE /? for help, too.
>
> The internet says that Brazilians prefer codepage 860 :-)
>
> Regards, Eric
>
> > 1) How do you enter "ã"?
> > 2) Is that a separate key on your keyboard?
> > 3) What does
> > https://bootablecd.de/fdhelp-internet/en/hhstndrd/base/keycode.htm
> > produce, when you hit that key or key combo?
>
> Interesting questions :-) Maybe all falls into place with CP860.
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS correctly display the "ã" character?

[Davi Ramos via Freedos-user]

Unfortunately, after entering the following:

display con=(ega,850,1)

mode con cp prep=((850) C:\freedos\cpi\ega.cpx)


There was no alteration in the displaying of "ã".


On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 3:43 PM Jim Hall via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Davi Ramos wrote:
> >> > The "ã" is a very common character in Portuguese. It shows up in words
> >> > such as "não", "alçapão", and "órgão".
> >> >
> >> > The system's keyboard and layout are already configured to "br" (for
> >> > Brazilian Portuguese) and working perfectly. Other accentuated
> >> > characters display just fine. That is the case of "á", "à", "ô".
> >> > However, "ã" shows as something else entirely. Image below:
> >> > oIh6TW8.png
> >> >
> >> > How can I get FreeDOS to correctly display those characters?
>
>
> Vacek Nules wrote:
> >
> > Hi Davi,
> >
> > Your codepage is probably set to CP437, which does not contain the
> > "ã" character. Change your codepage to CP850 (or CP858 if you also
> > need the Euro sign) and try again.
>
>
> That's what I was going to suggest too. Looks like Brazilian
> Portuguese is codepage 850? So I think Davi also needs to enter these
> commands to set up the display for 850:
>
> display con=(ega,850,1)
> mode con cp prep=((850) C:\freedos\cpi\ega.cpx)
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS correctly display the "ã" character?

[Davi Ramos via Freedos-user]

I tried the commands. "MODE CON CP SELECT=858" and "MODE CON CP
SELECT=850". The "ã" still displays as that weird character.

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 3:39 PM Vacek Nules via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hi Davi,
>
> Your codepage is probably set to CP437, which does not contain the "ã"
> character. Change your codepage to CP850 (or CP858 if you also need the
> Euro sign) and try again.
>
> Cheers,
> Vacek
>
>
> Robert Riebisch via Freedos-user  ezt
> írta (időpont: 2024. ápr. 25., Csü 20:29):
>
>> Hi Davi,
>>
>> > The "ã" is a very common character in Portuguese. It shows up in words
>> > such as "não", "alçapão", and "órgão".
>> >
>> > The system's keyboard and layout are already configured to "br" (for
>> > Brazilian Portuguese) and working perfectly. Other accentuated
>> > characters display just fine. That is the case of "á", "à", "ô".
>> > However, "ã" shows as something else entirely. Image below:
>> > oIh6TW8.png
>> >
>> > How can I get FreeDOS to correctly display those characters?
>>
>> 1) How do you enter "ã"?
>> 2) Is that a separate key on your keyboard?
>> 3) What does
>> 
>> produce, when you hit that key or key combo?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Robert
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Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS correctly display the "ã" character?

[Davi Ramos via Freedos-user]

Sorry, but how can I change my codepage? I don't really know what that is.

Thanks!

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 3:39 PM Vacek Nules via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hi Davi,
>
> Your codepage is probably set to CP437, which does not contain the "ã"
> character. Change your codepage to CP850 (or CP858 if you also need the
> Euro sign) and try again.
>
> Cheers,
> Vacek
>
>
> Robert Riebisch via Freedos-user  ezt
> írta (időpont: 2024. ápr. 25., Csü 20:29):
>
>> Hi Davi,
>>
>> > The "ã" is a very common character in Portuguese. It shows up in words
>> > such as "não", "alçapão", and "órgão".
>> >
>> > The system's keyboard and layout are already configured to "br" (for
>> > Brazilian Portuguese) and working perfectly. Other accentuated
>> > characters display just fine. That is the case of "á", "à", "ô".
>> > However, "ã" shows as something else entirely. Image below:
>> > oIh6TW8.png
>> >
>> > How can I get FreeDOS to correctly display those characters?
>>
>> 1) How do you enter "ã"?
>> 2) Is that a separate key on your keyboard?
>> 3) What does
>> 
>> produce, when you hit that key or key combo?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Robert
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Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS correctly display the "ã" character?

[Davi Ramos via Freedos-user]

1. I enter "ã" by typing the "~ ^" followed by the "a" key. Resulting in
"ã".
2. Yes, it is a separate key on my keyboard. By itself, that key will
generate the tilde. With shift, it generates the "little hat" (circumflex),
which is used in words such as "ângulo" or "acadêmico". The circumflex
displays perfectly on FreeDOS, the tilde ("~") does not.
3. "keycode" generates "Bad command or filename". I'm not sure how to
install this command, I'm looking at fdimples and it is not immediately
obvious :/. Is there a way to get it installed I am not aware of?

Thanks!

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 3:31 PM Robert Riebisch via Freedos-user <
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> Hi Davi,
>
> > The "ã" is a very common character in Portuguese. It shows up in words
> > such as "não", "alçapão", and "órgão".
> >
> > The system's keyboard and layout are already configured to "br" (for
> > Brazilian Portuguese) and working perfectly. Other accentuated
> > characters display just fine. That is the case of "á", "à", "ô".
> > However, "ã" shows as something else entirely. Image below:
> > oIh6TW8.png
> >
> > How can I get FreeDOS to correctly display those characters?
>
> 1) How do you enter "ã"?
> 2) Is that a separate key on your keyboard?
> 3) What does
> 
> produce, when you hit that key or key combo?
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
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Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS correctly display the "ã" character?

[Frantisek Rysanek via Freedos-user]

Let me suggest the following hypothesis:

Your FreeDOS and graphical hardware is running with the HW-default 
code page, known as Code Page 437.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_437

Whereas, you're trying to display text encoded in CP850.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_850
CP850, aka PC Latin 1, which is not the same as ISO Latin 1.

Perhaps your keyboard is already switched to produce CP850.

You probably need to run some program(s) to load the right codepage 
into the graphics card. I don't have a ready-made and tested recipe 
for you... could be something like:

In config.sys:
COUNTRY=055,850,C:\FDOS\BIN\COUNTRY.SYS

In autoexec.bat:
DISPLAY CON=(EGA,850,2)
MODE CON CP PREP=(437,850) C:\FDOS\BIN\EGA.CPX)
MODE CON CP SEL=850
   maybe also:
CHCP 850

Further reading:
https://gitlab.com/FreeDOS/base/cpidos/-/tree/master/DOC/CPIDOS
http://home.mnet-online.de/willybilly/fdhelp-internet/en/hhstndrd/base
/display.htm
http://home.mnet-online.de/willybilly/fdhelp-internet/en/hhstndrd/comm
and/chcp.htm
http://home.mnet-online.de/willybilly/fdhelp-internet/en/hhstndrd/base
/cpidos.htm
http://home.mnet-online.de/willybilly/fdhelp-internet/en/hhstndrd/cnfi
gsys/country.htm
https://marc.info/?l=freedos-dev=99788711909602  (examples look 
more like MS-DOS than FreeDOS)

Frank

> 
> The "ã" is a very common character in Portuguese. It shows up in 
> words such as "não", "alçapão", and "órgão". 
> 
> The system's keyboard and layout are already configured to "br" (for 
> Brazilian Portuguese) and working perfectly. Other accentuated 
> characters display just fine. That is the case of "á", "à", "ô". 
> However, "ã" shows as something else entirely. Image below:
> oIh6TW8.png
> 
> How can I get FreeDOS to correctly display those characters?
> 
> Thanks!




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Re: [Freedos-user] shouldn't fdimples add programs to path?

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On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:51 AM Davi Ramos via Freedos-user
 wrote:
>
> I installed a bunch of stuff (all editors) but when I try to run
> them it doesn't seem like they're on the path. Is that the correct
> behavior? Should I manually add the bins to path? If so, how?


Some larger DOS applications from the 1980s and 1990s would offer to
do that for you, but not always. Generally, the tradeoff is that if
you have a bunch of possible paths in your PATH variable, you can
overload it. If every package added a path to the PATH variable, that
could get very long. Also, this could confuse things. For example, I
like to install a few compilers on my FreeDOS system, like IA16 GCC
and OpenWatcom. If I'm developing in IA16 GCC, I set my PATH variable
(and a few other variables) so I can use IA16 GCC. If I'm working in
OpenWatcom, I set my PATH variable (and a few others) so I can use
OpenWatcom. I'm not likely to be developing in both at the same time,
though - and I don't need to compile stuff every time I boot FreeDOS -
so I don't load those values in my PATH by default.

If you need a path added to your PATH, and it didn't get added for
you, you can just edit the FDAUTO.BAT file yourself. You can also type
the PATH command on the command line to experiment before you edit
your FDAUTO file. For example, I have FED (programmer's text editor)
installed on my system but I don't have it in my PATH. FED is
installed in C:\APPS\FED by default, and the program name is FED.EXE.
To add FED to the PATH, I could type this at the command line:

> PATH C:\freedos\bin;C:\apps\fed

That sets a completely new PATH variable that says "look in
C:\freedos\bin first .. then look in C:\apps\fed" when running
programs. So with this PATH set, when I try to run FED.EXE on the
command line, FreeDOS will first try to execute any FED.EXE in the
current directory (because it always looks in the current dir first)
then will try to run C:\freedos\bin\FED.EXE - but FED isn't there, so
it will then try to run C:\apps\fed\FED.EXE (and that will work,
because that's where FED.EXE lives).

If you already have a bunch of things in your PATH variable and you
don't want to retype the whole thing just to add one new entry to your
PATH, you can use the %PATH% variable expansion like this: Let's say
my PATH was already set to C:\freedos\bin;C:\freedos\links .. if I
wanted to add C:\apps\fed to the end of that, I can type this:

> PATH %PATH%;C:\apps\fed

Now the new value of PATH is C:\freedos\bin;C:\freedos\links;C:\apps\fed


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Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS correctly display the "ã" character?

[Jim Hall via Freedos-user]

Davi Ramos wrote:
>> > The "ã" is a very common character in Portuguese. It shows up in words
>> > such as "não", "alçapão", and "órgão".
>> >
>> > The system's keyboard and layout are already configured to "br" (for
>> > Brazilian Portuguese) and working perfectly. Other accentuated
>> > characters display just fine. That is the case of "á", "à", "ô".
>> > However, "ã" shows as something else entirely. Image below:
>> > oIh6TW8.png
>> >
>> > How can I get FreeDOS to correctly display those characters?


Vacek Nules wrote:
>
> Hi Davi,
>
> Your codepage is probably set to CP437, which does not contain the
> "ã" character. Change your codepage to CP850 (or CP858 if you also
> need the Euro sign) and try again.


That's what I was going to suggest too. Looks like Brazilian
Portuguese is codepage 850? So I think Davi also needs to enter these
commands to set up the display for 850:

display con=(ega,850,1)
mode con cp prep=((850) C:\freedos\cpi\ega.cpx)


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Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS correctly display the "ã" character?

[Eric Auer via Freedos-user]

Hi Robert and Davi,


The system's keyboard and layout are already configured to "br" (for
Brazilian Portuguese) and working perfectly. Other accentuated
characters display just fine. That is the case of "á", "à", "ô".
However, "ã" shows as something else entirely. Image below:
oIh6TW8.png

How can I get FreeDOS to correctly display those characters?


You probably have to load DISPLAY and use MODE to set the codepage
to load a font which has all accented characters at the place where
your already Brazilian keyboard configuration expects them :-)

See the HTMLHELP system for details. There should also be some
examples on the web. It should work similar to this:

First, load the DISPLAY thing. You can do this in your autoexec
to load it automatically at boot, or manually at the prompt:

LH DISPLAY CON=(EGA,,1)
rem or maybe for example DISPLAY CON=(EGA,858,1) or similar?

Second, use MODE CON CODEPAGE (shorthand MODE CON CP also
works) to first prepare (shorthand PREP) and then select
(shorthand SEL) the codepage for your country.

In my example the codepage is 858, which happens to be in
EGA.CPX, which is a compressed version of EGA.CPI - some
less common codepages will probably be in other CPX files.

MODE CON CP PREP=((858) C:\FDOS\cpi\EGA.CPX)

MODE CON CP SEL=858

You can do those two MODE invocations in autoexec or at
the prompt as well. You can use MODE /? for help, too.

The internet says that Brazilians prefer codepage 860 :-)

Regards, Eric


1) How do you enter "ã"?
2) Is that a separate key on your keyboard?
3) What does
https://bootablecd.de/fdhelp-internet/en/hhstndrd/base/keycode.htm
produce, when you hit that key or key combo?


Interesting questions :-) Maybe all falls into place with CP860.




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Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS correctly display the "ã" character?

[Vacek Nules via Freedos-user]

Hi Davi,

Your codepage is probably set to CP437, which does not contain the "ã"
character. Change your codepage to CP850 (or CP858 if you also need the
Euro sign) and try again.

Cheers,
Vacek


Robert Riebisch via Freedos-user  ezt
írta (időpont: 2024. ápr. 25., Csü 20:29):

> Hi Davi,
>
> > The "ã" is a very common character in Portuguese. It shows up in words
> > such as "não", "alçapão", and "órgão".
> >
> > The system's keyboard and layout are already configured to "br" (for
> > Brazilian Portuguese) and working perfectly. Other accentuated
> > characters display just fine. That is the case of "á", "à", "ô".
> > However, "ã" shows as something else entirely. Image below:
> > oIh6TW8.png
> >
> > How can I get FreeDOS to correctly display those characters?
>
> 1) How do you enter "ã"?
> 2) Is that a separate key on your keyboard?
> 3) What does
> 
> produce, when you hit that key or key combo?
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
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Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS correctly display the "ã" character?

[Robert Riebisch via Freedos-user]

Hi Davi,

> The "ã" is a very common character in Portuguese. It shows up in words
> such as "não", "alçapão", and "órgão".
> 
> The system's keyboard and layout are already configured to "br" (for
> Brazilian Portuguese) and working perfectly. Other accentuated
> characters display just fine. That is the case of "á", "à", "ô".
> However, "ã" shows as something else entirely. Image below:
> oIh6TW8.png
> 
> How can I get FreeDOS to correctly display those characters?

1) How do you enter "ã"?
2) Is that a separate key on your keyboard?
3) What does

produce, when you hit that key or key combo?

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[Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS correctly display the "ã" character?

[Davi Ramos via Freedos-user]

The "ã" is a very common character in Portuguese. It shows up in words such
as "não", "alçapão", and "órgão".

The system's keyboard and layout are already configured to "br" (for
Brazilian Portuguese) and working perfectly. Other accentuated characters
display just fine. That is the case of "á", "à", "ô". However, "ã" shows as
something else entirely. Image below:
[image: oIh6TW8.png]

How can I get FreeDOS to correctly display those characters?

Thanks!
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Re: [Freedos-user] shouldn't fdimples add programs to path?

[Norby Droid via Freedos-user]

For most used programs I would ad an alias in the fdauto.bat file so far
this has worked perfectly and doesn’t fill up the path line.

Fdimples just installs software anddoesn’t add them to any path or
anything.  If I am wrong someone can correct me.

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 10:51 Davi Ramos via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> I installed a bunch of stuff (all editors) but when I try to run them it
> doesn't seem like they're on the path. Is that the correct behavior? Should
> I manually add the bins to path? If so, how?
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[Freedos-user] shouldn't fdimples add programs to path?

[Davi Ramos via Freedos-user]

I installed a bunch of stuff (all editors) but when I try to run them it
doesn't seem like they're on the path. Is that the correct behavior? Should
I manually add the bins to path? If so, how?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Dial-up emulation?

[Eric Auer via Freedos-user]

Here is a neat summary of the DOS PPP drivers:
http://www.oldskool.org/guides/tvdog/internet.html#I

...but, someone has already raised this question:
Do you have a "counterpart"?



I mean - a dial-in service answering with a modem and a PPP stack.
Or at least a null-modem connection to a PPP "server", such as pppd
running on Linux. Or possibly Windows running the "server side of
RAS" would work too.


On BTTR, there is a thread about this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLVHXn79l8M

"Let's Make a DOS BBS in a offensively modern way"

00:00 - Intro
00:15 - A Word from our sponsors
00:39 - What is a BBS
05:16 - How does a BBS work
13:15 - Lets get modern (containers)
23:51 - Kubernetes
26:56 - Build a server install Kubernetes
31:30 - Ceph, lets store some files
38:09 - Doors
42:38 - Lets make a helm chart
49:03 - Dial in and modems
53:17 - fTelnet
55:28 - Fidonet
58:13 - Thanks

https://github.com/jgoerzen/docker-bbs-renegade

Might fit with the topic discussed here, but on the
other side, it might not answer the question which
SLIP or PPP servers can be recommended and whether
you connect them to real or rather simulated modems?
I have not watched the video yet. Let me know :-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Dial-up emulation

[Robert Riebisch via Freedos-user]

Hi Jose,

>  Tomas said:
>  > network card =/= modem
> 
>  I never said nor implied they are the same.

What you said is:
"Anyway, you will still need a **modem driver** for DOS."
(** added by me to emphasize)

You continued with:
"There used to be many of them in old software repositories as the
Crynwr collection."

This collection of **packet drivers** is still available at
. And packet drivers are typically for
Ethernet network cards, not modems.

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