Re: [Freedos-user] One use case for FreeDos

[John Vella via Freedos-user]

I've got a similar setup, however I use WordPerfect 5.1. I really am too
easily distracted!

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024, 22:52 Dan Schmidt via Freedos-user, <
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> Now, that's an interesting use for a Dos/FreeDos retro computer:
>
>
> https://www.theverge.com/2014/5/14/5716232/george-r-r-martin-uses-dos-wordstar-to-write
>
> How many computers destined for the landfill still have perfectly good
> screens and keyboards?  (Recalling those heavy, grey, indestructible PS2
> keyboards where the keys snapped back up with a vigour that seemed to sent
> your fingers flying on to the next character)  Now, I might have gone with
> WordPerfect 6 instead of WordStar 4, but the idea itself is solid: A
> computer that you just use for writing, sans distractions. No YouTube, no
> Email, no Facebook - you sit - you write.  I mean, it's hard to argue it
> didn't work well for this guy!
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Re: [Freedos-user] Planning the next virtual get-together

[John Vella via Freedos-user]

Sorry I couldn't make this one, which I've been looking forward to.
Something, (football) came up! I'll see you all next time. 

On Sun, 27 Aug 2023, 18:57 Jim Hall via Freedos-user, <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Thanks to everyone for joining today's FreeDOS virtual get-together!
>
> We had a great conversation about different topics, mostly about tech
> topics - like programming, DOS apps, the wiki, and retrocomputing.
>
> We'll plan the next virtual get-together for Sunday, September 24.
> That will be focused on "social time" - get to meet other FreeDOS
> users and developers as more than a screen name.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] My curiosity

[John Vella via Freedos-user]

I've installed freedos because I'm writing my second novel, but I'm easily
distracted, so I wanted a machine with a decent word processor,
(Wordperfect 5.1) and no internet access or games to distract me. I have
deleted the games folder, but accidentally installed MS Word 5, which will
do the job.

It also means I get to give my IBM Thinkpad T43 a second life, which is
nice. 

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023, 22:47 Christopher Evans via Freedos-user, <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Well, I installed dosemu on my Linux machine, so I could run older dos
> games like doom and descent as well as work on dos c sources.
>
>
>
> -Chris
>
> Intelligencia Computer Consulting
>
> An open-source and computer help company
>
> http://icctechconsult.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023, 2:14 PM Jim Hall via Freedos-user <
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 3:46 PM Daniel Essin via Freedos-user
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I'm following this list and find it very interesting. I found it when I
>> > was trying to prepare myself to help a friend whose business in built
>> > around a DOS app. It's clear that many/most/all? have access to other
>> > computers and OSes. This would be obvious if only because one needs
>> > access to the internet even if only to get this list. This has made me
>> > curious.
>> >
>> > What are others using freedos for: business, curiosity, running retro
>> > games and apps for fun, to avoid total dependence on the evil empire, or
>> > something else?
>> >
>>
>>
>> Hi Dan
>>
>> We ran a survey several years ago, and then last year, to answer
>> exactly that question: How are people using FreeDOS?
>>
>> Several years ago (around 2014?) we found people were running FreeDOS
>> for 3 or 4 main use cases:
>>
>> 1. To play classic DOS games
>> 2. To run legacy DOS applications
>> 3. To support/develop embedded systems
>>
>> and sometimes 4. To install firmware updates on certain motherboards
>>
>> I recall that the legacy DOS software was often in a business setting,
>> such as organizations that needed to retrieve information from an old
>> DOS application. You discover that some data is locked up in some data
>> files that are only accessible by the program that wrote the data. So
>> you find the software (or download it if you don't have it), then
>> install FreeDOS + the application, and "save as" the data to some
>> format that you can use.
>>
>> We did this when I served as CIO for a university. One of the faculty
>> found some old floppies with old research data. They wanted to get the
>> data back (I think to write a paper that referenced the historical
>> data). We installed FreeDOS on a spare PC that had a floppy drive,
>> found the original program on a DOS apps archive site, installed that,
>> and loaded the data. That program could also dump the data into a
>> plain text file (similar to CSV) which the faculty researcher could
>> load into a spreadsheet to do further analysis.
>>
>> More recently, we found that people were running FreeDOS for (mostly)
>> 3 main uses:
>>
>> 1. To play classic DOS games
>> 2. To run legacy DOS applications
>> 3. To develop new DOS programs
>>
>> For #3, I think that mostly represented FreeDOS developers responding
>> to the survey.
>>
>> The survey had a few outliers (we still see people who use FreeDOS to
>> install firmware updates, for example) but in 2022, those were pretty
>> low compared to the other 3 uses.
>>
>>
>> Jim
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Re: [Freedos-user] Accessing usb stick from freedos.

[John Vella via Freedos-user]

I've decided that it's probably easier to just boot from the usb stick, and
then I can use the hard drive for something else.

On Sun, 23 Jul 2023, 21:53 Rugxulo via Freedos-user, <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 2:44 AM John Vella via Freedos-user
>  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the quick reply, Ralf. I have a work around, which did the
> trick. I just created four partitions, each less than 32gb on the stick,
> and freedos is happy with that.
>
> Assuming your FreeDOS kernel has FAT32 compiled in (which most do,
> omitting it only saves like 2 kb of file size of KERNEL.SYS), it
> should be fine.
>
> I still use my old Dell laptop from 2010 to boot FreeDOS on a (128 GB,
> FAT32) USB jump drive made by RUFUS. I don't need any third-party USB
> drivers because the BIOS treats it as a hard disk (but, of course, you
> can't swap USB sticks, you have to reboot if you want to use a
> different one).
>
> (... more comments below ...)
>
>
> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 03:23 Ralf Quint via Freedos-user, <
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> >> On 7/21/2023 2:01 PM, John Vella via Freedos-user wrote:
> >> >
> >> I had never had the need to use such large partitions with (any) DOS,
> >> and don't use it for anything else, as it is limited to 4GB file size
> too.
>
> The alleged 4 GB file size doesn't work on some OSes (FreeDOS, Windows
> NT?), only on old Win9x. So you're only guaranteed 2 GB individual
> file sizes, universally. You'd need DJGPP 2.04 or 2.05 just to (maybe)
> handle it. Even then, last I checked, they hardcoded a check for
> "version 7 DOS" before enabling FAT32 support (e.g. du or df).
>
> My old 4 GB FreeDOS partition filled up pretty quickly. I was using at
> least 1 GB for DJGPP stuff (mostly backup .ZIPs).
>
> I would not recommend using FAT16 for anything above (roughly) 510 MB.
> Use FAT32 instead (if possible, which is well-supported by most DOSes,
> not counting ancient MS-DOS 6.22 and DR-DOS 7.03).
>
> >> Theoretically, FAT32 could handle up to 2TB in partition size, while
> >> newer Windows (and some other OS) limit it to 32GB.
>
> I believe the Windows limitation was in "creating" FAT32 partitions
> larger than 32 GB because MS found that it was otherwise too slow
> under real-mode MS-DOS 7. Vista (and newer Windows) won't even boot
> from FAT anymore (too slow, security issues). FYI, Windows 11 is
> 64-bit host only nowadays and supposedly takes up 25 GB of space.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Accessing usb stick from freedos.

[John Vella via Freedos-user]

Thanks for the quick reply, Ralf. I have a work around, which did the
trick. I just created four partitions, each less than 32gb on the stick,
and freedos is happy with that.

Now all I have to do is decide if I'm sticking with Microsoft Works, or if
I'll go back to Wordperfect 5.1 and my distraction-free writing machine
will be finished!

Oh yeah, and I have to uninstall the games. :-)

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023, 03:23 Ralf Quint via Freedos-user, <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> On 7/21/2023 2:01 PM, John Vella via Freedos-user wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I installed freedos on my IBM Thinkpad T43 and I installed a usb
> > driver, which works. Sort of.
> >
> > I can access a 2gb usb stick, which is formatted to FAT32, and that's
> > great, but I want to use a different stick.
> >
> > This is where the problems begin. It's a 128gb stick. If I find a way
> > to create a FAT32 partition to use the whole space do we know if
> > freedos would be able to handle that size? Or is there another file
> > system I could use?
> No, you definitely can NOT use a different file system. FAT[12,16,32] is
> the only file system that FreeDOS understands.
> I had never had the need to use such large partitions with (any) DOS,
> and don't use it for anything else, as it is limited to 4GB file size too.
>
> Theoretically, FAT32 could handle up to 2TB in partition size, while
> newer Windows (and some other OS) limit it to 32GB. Not sure if a peek
> in the sources would reveal what a limitation under FreeDOS for FAT32
> partitions would be...
>
>
> Ralf
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[Freedos-user] Accessing usb stick from freedos.

[John Vella via Freedos-user]

Hi,

I installed freedos on my IBM Thinkpad T43 and I installed a usb driver,
which works. Sort of.

I can access a 2gb usb stick, which is formatted to FAT32, and that's
great, but I want to use a different stick.

This is where the problems begin. It's a 128gb stick. If I find a way to
create a FAT32 partition to use the whole space do we know if freedos would
be able to handle that size? Or is there another file system I could use?

Or could I create multiple smaller partitions?

I've shut down the laptop for the night, but asking the questions before I
start investigating tomorrow, just in case one of you wonderful people can
save me some donkey work.

Thanks in advance for your help.

John.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?

[John Vella via Freedos-user]

I have an IBM Thinkpad T43 and also either an R40 or R60, (I'd have to go
upstairs and check) so if your laptop is either one of those, let me
know and I'll try an install.

On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 at 03:18, tom ehlert via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> > I have it myself already, unless there has been a update, but wanted to
> ask.
>
> please explain this.
>
> Tom
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Concept behind RUFUS

[John Vella]

Hi,

Since this is a FreeDOS group, I'm going to assume this is the operating
system you want to boot. I believe that you can create a working FreeDOS
installation on USB, however I can't test it this evening, as I am busy
doing other testing, of an alcohol based nature!

I'd say give it a go. What's the worse that can happen?

On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 18:12 Aitor Santamaría,  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> To those that have used/experience with RUFUS: what is the concept behind
> it?
> I don't get a clear picture of how this software operates, either reading
> the site or the wikipedia:
>
> It makes "bootable USB" and supports "a variety of ISO", so
> (a) does it make truly bootable drives, like "SYS D:", where the drive
> gets a OS file (rewritable) distribution, after transferring the files to
> the drive (mimicking a INSTALL)?
> (b) copies the ISO into the drive, and somehow mounts the ISO file and
> boots from there, thereby creating a read-only in memory drive?
> (c) ...
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Aitor
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Re: [Freedos-user] Can you recommend a good single-board-computer for legacy OSs?

[John Vella]

I don't know if this is any help but I am currently installing FreeDOS
using PCem, on an Atom based Stick PC.

What are you planning on using the legacy os for?

On Wed, 1 Mar 2023, 19:20 Ben Hutchinson,  wrote:

> I found what seemed to be a good Intel x86 based SBC over at
> https://up-shop.org/up-squared-series.html but there was one problem. It
> mentioned only a UEFI firmware. Nothing about supporting legacy BIOS. I
> know my laptop can switch between UEFI and BIOS by changing the firmware
> settings (go into the firmware menu by pressing F2 at bootup). But the lack
> of mention of legacy BIOS support worried me. So I emailed them and asked.
> And unfortunately, as I was worried, this was their answer:
> "For the product now it’s all supported with UEFI BIOS. No legacy BIOS
> supported."
>
> So, I would like to run DOS on an SBC, but with a UEFI only system, that's
> not possible.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Greetings

[John Vella]

I would be tempted to install windows xp, which I believe this laptop
shipped with, then install virtual pc, (the version before Microsoft bought
it) and run the various dos/Windows 3.1 machines in a virtual environment.

Or install linux and find a virtual pc solution for that.

Dos and win 3.1 don't need a lot of resources and should run fine
virtually.

On Wed, 1 Mar 2023, 17:57 usul,  wrote:

> So I was digging through my old "stuff" and found some of my old cds and
> my Dell Latitude D520 laptop. And I got all nostalgic . I got my start with
> a 486 DX 8 mgs of Ram.
> I mostly did Visual Basic 3.0 programming to start after I
> finished college. VBA/ MS Access then to Dot Net.  I can read C / C++ but
> never really did anything with it.
> So I thought it would be cool to mess around with it again
>
> So I plan to multiboot on the laptop
> Linux
> Dos 6.22 / Windows 3.11
> and FreeDos
> Is there an 'Order that this would need to be done in? Any Recommendations?
>
> I found on those old cds copies of
> desQview/X 2.1 and XAppeal (and if they could port it I might be able to)
> and DragonLinux which runs on UMSDOS so install on the same partition.
> Borland C++ 3.0, so much other fun stuff.
>
> Anyway I am having some problems, and I really don't remember my
> autoexec.bat/config.sys stuff anymore but I remember getting all the dos
> and stuff loaded to high memory or something like that.
> This is my fconfig.sys that I found in one of the FREEDOS folders..,.
>
> **
> SET DOSDIR=C:\FREEDOS
> !BUFFERS=20
> !FILES=40
> !MENUCOLOR=7,0
>
> MENUDEFAULT=4,5
> MENU 1 - Load FreeDOS with JEMMEX, no EMS (most UMBs), max RAM free
> MENU 2 - Load FreeDOS with JEMMEX (more compatible)
> MENU 3 - Load FreeDOS with JEMM386 (Expanded Memory)
> MENU 4 - Load FreeDOS low with some drivers (Safe Mode)
> MENU 5 - Load FreeDOS without drivers (Emergency Mode)
>
> 123?DOS=HIGH
> 123?DOS=UMB
> 123?DOSDATA=UMB
>
> 1?DEVICE=C:\FREEDOS\BIN\JEMMEX.EXE NOEMS X=TEST I=TEST NOVME NOINVLPG
> 2?DEVICE=C:\FREEDOS\BIN\JEMMEX.EXE NOEMS X=TEST NOVME NOINVLPG
> 34?DEVICE=C:\FREEDOS\BIN\HIMEMX.EXE
> 3?DEVICE=C:\FREEDOS\BIN\JEMM386.EXE X=TEST NOVME NOINVLPG
>
> 12?SHELLHIGH=C:\FREEDOS\BIN\COMMAND.COM C:\FREEDOS\BIN /E:1024
> /P=C:\FDAUTO.BAT
> 345?SHELL=C:\FREEDOS\BIN\COMMAND.COM C:\FREEDOS\BIN /E:1024
> /P=C:\FDAUTO.BAT
>
>
> **
>
> The only options that seem to work are 4 & 5. .  Where can I get all the
> info to relearn all of that?  Is there a website / documentation or an old
> dos book I can buy that would still be relevant to FreeDos.  It sees all of
> the memory on the laptop 4gigs just
>
> I have not tried anything that needs 32 bit protected mode. but
> eventually once I get it figured out I will need it to do stuff in djgpp.
> So I think I need to get this all working.  Mouse , CDROM all worked out of
> the box that was amazing.
>
> I'm not really good with mailing lists, too  much overload. LOL Do we have
> a Discord server or something along those lines? Web based forum etc.  If
> not, I'll re-adapt.
>
> Any direction  / sites / books :)
>
> Thanks a bunch and this is awesome btw.
>
> Adam
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Re: [Freedos-user] Anyone want to write an article about FreeDOS?

[John Vella]

That sounds like the sort of thing I'd be interested in doing, but what
sort of article are they looking for? Are they after a "history of FreeDOS"
type article, because that's been done so many times it would be hard to
write anything original, wouldn't it?

I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Cheers,

John.

On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, 18:41 Jim Hall,  wrote:

> If anyone here is interested in writing articles about FreeDOS,
> Opensource.com is interested in running FreeDOS articles. I write
> articles for them sometimes, and the FreeDOS articles perform very
> well on the site. In fact, they recently listed FreeDOS among their
> list of "topics we're interested in for 2023." Also included in the
> list: conio and C programming.
>
> I can tell you the editors are very welcoming, which is why I continue
> to write articles for them. If English isn't your first language, and
> you aren't confident of your English writing skills, they can help
> with editing to make the final version really nice.
>
> Here's the list they shared, in case this inspires anyone to write an
> article:
>
> - accessibility
> - Ansible
> - apt
> - Awk
> - Bash scripting
> - Blender
> - C getopt
> - C Programming
> - Chaos Engineering for K8s
> - Compose Key
> - conio
> - Containers/Pods
> - cron
> - Curl
> - DevOps
> - DevSecOps
> - dnf
> - doxygen
> - Emacs
> - find command
> - Firewall
> - FreeDOS
> - GDB
> - GIMP
> - Git
> - GNOME
> - GNU Screen
> - Go Beginners
> - Grep
> - Home Automation
> - Inkscape
> - Intro Small Scale Scrum
> - Java
> - JavaScript
> - Jinja2
> - Jupyter
> - Kdenlive
> - Kubectl
> - Kubernetes
> - Kubernetes SRE
> - Linux Apps
> - Linux perms
> - Logrotate
> - Markdown
> - MySQL
> - Networking
> - Parted
> - Pygame eBook
> - PyPI
> - Python
> - Raspberry Pi
> - Running K8s on RPi
> - Rust
> - Sed
> - SELinux
> - SSH
> - sudo
> - sustainability
> - systemd
> - tmux
> - Vim
> - wget
>
> Email the editors at o...@opensource.com
>
> They have a "write for us" page at https://opensource.com/writers
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Re: [Freedos-user] Mouse not working on real silicon

[John Vella]

I can't do any research at the moment, (busy doing the night before prep
for a funeral) but I did a quick Google search, using the words "usb mouse
driver for dos" without the quotes, and that bought up a shed load of
potentially useful hits.

Hope this helps.

On Sun, 15 Jan 2023, 19:28 Knedlik,  wrote:

> Hello!
> I successfully ran FreeDOS on my Ryzen 5 3600X, RTX 2060, 32 gigs RAM from
> a USB, except for the CDROM, which is obvious considering the missing CDROM
> hardware.
> Cutemouse tells me it’s loaded, but when I launch an app using a mouse, I
> can’t move it. I made sure to disconnect all USB stuff except for keyboard
> and mouse and of course the USB.
> Any ideas?
> -Knedlik
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Re: [Freedos-user] memory issue, or something

[John Vella]

Thanks for the info. I'm about to go to bed, as I have an early start, but
I'll try and find a copy to do some freedos experiments tomorrow, unless
anybody has the time and the inclination to have a go before that.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022, 19:30 Tomas By,  wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 20:03:55 +0100, John Vella wrote:
> > What's the game you're trying to run
>
> https://archive.org/details/msdos_Wargame_Construction_Set_II_-_TANKS_1994
>
>
> > and how much RAM do you have?
>
> More than 640k (1GB?).
>
> /Tomas
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Re: [Freedos-user] memory issue, or something

[John Vella]

What's the game you're trying to run and how much RAM do you have?

I'm just thinking that if we can try and replicate the issue we might be
able to figure it out.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2022, 18:08 Tomas By,  wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 17:32:19 +0100, tom ehlert wrote:
> > run without JEMM386
>
>
> I think I tried that, and then it complained about needing more
> memory.
>
> (The machine is not available right now.)
>
> /Tomas
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Feelings on lfn

[John Vella]

In my opinion, the only advantage is that long file names are more
descriptive than 8.3 but that being said, I'm old and used to coming up
with short but descriptive names, so I'm not really bothered one way or the
other.

On Mon, 7 Nov 2022, 13:09 Joseph Norton,  wrote:

> Hi listers:
>
>
>
> I’m just curious about how you all feel about the use of lfn in FreeDOS
> (or any real DOS).
>
>
>
> I notice that the lfn option is rem’d out in the fdauto.bat file by
> default, so it would appear that, while support seems to be there, the
> feelings of the developers are leaning toward not using it unless it’s
> necessary.
>
>
>
> If I remember correctly, there are at least 2 DOS tsr’s that deal with
> enabling long filename support.
>
>
>
> I’m curious about what your feelings about lfn are.  Do you keep lfn
> turned on, or off?  If so, why?
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS virtual get-togethers in 2022

[John Vella]

A good work-life balance is really important, so I guess I'll see you guys
next year! 

On Mon, 3 Oct 2022, 00:31 Jim Hall,  wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> I've managed to overload myself - that's good for a consultant, but
> bad for work-life balance. (That's also why I've been so silent on
> email lately.) So I need to take a break where I can. I love getting
> together on the FreeDOS virtual get-togethers, but I could really use
> that free time.
>
> Let's cancel the FreeDOS virtual get-togethers for October, November,
> and December. We'll figure out the new schedule for 2023 at that time,
> if folks want to keep doing them.
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader

[John Vella]

OK, so the cat is now awake, and I have installed a fresh copy of FreeDOS
1.3 on VirtualBox. The DVD is visible. This is weird.

Can you copy and paste the contents of your fdauto.bat file into an email,
to help with further diagnosis?

On Sun, 18 Sept 2022 at 20:44, John Vella  wrote:

> As I understand it, (and I'm not in front of a computer so I can't check
> right now) fdauto on the install disk can access the optical drive, but the
> files required to access the optical drive are not copied during install,
> and the lines are not in the fdauto file on the hard drive.
>
> I may be wrong, but as I said, I'm not in front of the computer at the
> moment, and the cat has fallen asleep on my lap, so I can't get up and
> check right now!
>
> As soon as he shifts, I'll get the laptop and confirm this, unless anybody
> else wants to chip in...
>
>
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, 20:32 Glenn Holmer via Freedos-user, <
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
>> On 9/18/22 14:12, John Vella wrote:
>> > You should look at fdauto.bat, copy and paste the relevant lines into
>> > the copy on your hard drive and copy the files it calls into the dos
>> folder.
>>
>> Are you suggesting that the installer wrote config files that point to
>> drivers that don't exist? That doesn't seem likely...
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader

[John Vella]

As I understand it, (and I'm not in front of a computer so I can't check
right now) fdauto on the install disk can access the optical drive, but the
files required to access the optical drive are not copied during install,
and the lines are not in the fdauto file on the hard drive.

I may be wrong, but as I said, I'm not in front of the computer at the
moment, and the cat has fallen asleep on my lap, so I can't get up and
check right now!

As soon as he shifts, I'll get the laptop and confirm this, unless anybody
else wants to chip in...


On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, 20:32 Glenn Holmer via Freedos-user, <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> On 9/18/22 14:12, John Vella wrote:
> > You should look at fdauto.bat, copy and paste the relevant lines into
> > the copy on your hard drive and copy the files it calls into the dos
> folder.
>
> Are you suggesting that the installer wrote config files that point to
> drivers that don't exist? That doesn't seem likely...
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] can't see DVD reader

[John Vella]

You should look at fdauto.bat, copy and paste the relevant lines into the
copy on your hard drive and copy the files it calls into the dos folder.

I think that'll work. :)

On Sun, 18 Sep 2022, 19:56 Glenn Holmer via Freedos-user, <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> On 9/18/22 12:58, Ralf Quint wrote:
> > On 9/18/2022 10:30 AM, Glenn Holmer via Freedos-user wrote:
> >> I installed FreeDOS 1.3 on a machine about ten years old. It
> >> successfully read the DVD during installation, but doesn't recognize it
> >> afterward when booted.
> >>
> >> How can I diagnose this?
> >
> > Make sure you have the CD/DVD-ROM driver and a MSCDEX equivalent loaded
> > on startup. This might be happening during the installer, but might be
> > missing out of config.sys and autoexec.bat in your installed version...
>
> There's a script that gets called from FDAUTO that tries several drivers
> -- why wouldn't that work? And why did it work during install?
>
> Are you saying I should throw out that script and load the driver
> manually? How do I know which driver to use and where it's found?
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Save the date: FreeDOS virtual get-together (next week!)

[John Vella]

I've starred the email and look forward to seeing you all next week.

On Sat, 11 Jun 2022, 21:32 Jim Hall,  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> If you'd like to get to know each other "in person," join our FreeDOS
> virtual get-together, coming up next week on Sunday, June 19 at 11am
> US/Central (use your favorite time zone converter to find your local
> time).
>
> As always, we'll meet using BlueJeans. That's the virtual meeting
> system I use for my consulting. You'll get best results if you
> download the meetings client (https://www.bluejeans.com/downloads) but
> you can also join from any recent web browser like Chrome.
>
> We alternate topics every month. This month is "social time." It's a
> great opportunity to get to know folks as more than just an email
> address.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installing freedos to virtualbox them copying dice contents to an actual computer

[John Vella]

It's a 486 dx 33, and I will have a look at that link when I get home,
thanks!

I'm not sure if I still have it, but I used to have an ide hard drive caddy
buried somewhere. I might see if I can dig that out, as I have a few ide
drives lying around.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 12:35 Björn Morell,  wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Fun with someone using a real machine, I am using an IBM 100DX4 running,
> Freedos, DrDos and DSL (Damn Small Linux) all on three compact flash
> drives.
>
> I would try File Wizard and its internal editor,
> https://dos.retro.software/downloads/download/290-file-managers/1467-file-wizard-1-35,
> like using Norton commander but better.
>
> What kind of 486 do you run ?
>
> Bear
>
>
> Den 2022-03-31 kl. 12:49, skrev John Vella:
>
> I am using edit at the moment,so it might be safer to stick with that. By
> safer, I mean not installing windows, which also contains too many
> distractions!
>
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 11:43 Joao Silva,  wrote:
>
>> If you go to WIndows 3.1 you have write.
>>
>> If you want to stick to dos get edit.com from DOS, i'm using it and
>> works just fine.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 11:37 AM John Vella  wrote:
>>
>>> Ooh, that's good to know. I'll have to check how many lines per chapter.
>>>
>>> I'm also tempted to dig out another old drive, install windows 3.11 and
>>> try Microsoft Office 4.3 as I've never used that before.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 11:33 Joao Silva,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> You can use FreeDOS edit, but don't use for big files... can't handle
>>>> 2968 lines
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 12:59 PM John Vella 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll be honest and say I'm starting to second guess myself here...
>>>>> Reading a totally unrelated email at work this morning, I wondered why I'm
>>>>> even bothering with wordperfect. I only need a basic text editor. I'm not
>>>>> interested in spell check, as I'll do that on the editing machine, so
>>>>> bringing it down to the minimum, freedos and whatever text editor is
>>>>> included would actually do the job nicely.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022, 12:42 Robert Riebisch, 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > So, I've got the 486 computer working and am ready to install
>>>>>> freedos
>>>>>> > and wordperfect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do *you* really need from FreeDOS to run WP?
>>>>>> Probably just the BASE packages.
>>>>>> Or maybe the kernel + FreeCOM only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may also want to look at SvarDOS' floppy images:
>>>>>> http://www.svardos.org/?p=files=20220314
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SvarDOS is based on FreeDOS, but kernel is currently still from FD
>>>>>> 1.2,
>>>>>> IIRC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Robert
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installing freedos to virtualbox them copying dice contents to an actual computer

[John Vella]

I am using edit at the moment,so it might be safer to stick with that. By
safer, I mean not installing windows, which also contains too many
distractions!

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 11:43 Joao Silva,  wrote:

> If you go to WIndows 3.1 you have write.
>
> If you want to stick to dos get edit.com from DOS, i'm using it and works
> just fine.
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 11:37 AM John Vella  wrote:
>
>> Ooh, that's good to know. I'll have to check how many lines per chapter.
>>
>> I'm also tempted to dig out another old drive, install windows 3.11 and
>> try Microsoft Office 4.3 as I've never used that before.
>>
>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 11:33 Joao Silva,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> You can use FreeDOS edit, but don't use for big files... can't handle
>>> 2968 lines
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 12:59 PM John Vella 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll be honest and say I'm starting to second guess myself here...
>>>> Reading a totally unrelated email at work this morning, I wondered why I'm
>>>> even bothering with wordperfect. I only need a basic text editor. I'm not
>>>> interested in spell check, as I'll do that on the editing machine, so
>>>> bringing it down to the minimum, freedos and whatever text editor is
>>>> included would actually do the job nicely.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022, 12:42 Robert Riebisch, 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>
>>>>> > So, I've got the 486 computer working and am ready to install freedos
>>>>> > and wordperfect.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do *you* really need from FreeDOS to run WP?
>>>>> Probably just the BASE packages.
>>>>> Or maybe the kernel + FreeCOM only.
>>>>>
>>>>> You may also want to look at SvarDOS' floppy images:
>>>>> http://www.svardos.org/?p=files=20220314
>>>>>
>>>>> SvarDOS is based on FreeDOS, but kernel is currently still from FD 1.2,
>>>>> IIRC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Robert
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installing freedos to virtualbox them copying dice contents to an actual computer

[John Vella]

Ooh, that's good to know. I'll have to check how many lines per chapter.

I'm also tempted to dig out another old drive, install windows 3.11 and try
Microsoft Office 4.3 as I've never used that before.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 11:33 Joao Silva,  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> You can use FreeDOS edit, but don't use for big files... can't handle 2968
> lines
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 12:59 PM John Vella  wrote:
>
>> I'll be honest and say I'm starting to second guess myself here...
>> Reading a totally unrelated email at work this morning, I wondered why I'm
>> even bothering with wordperfect. I only need a basic text editor. I'm not
>> interested in spell check, as I'll do that on the editing machine, so
>> bringing it down to the minimum, freedos and whatever text editor is
>> included would actually do the job nicely.
>>
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022, 12:42 Robert Riebisch,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> > So, I've got the 486 computer working and am ready to install freedos
>>> > and wordperfect.
>>>
>>> What do *you* really need from FreeDOS to run WP?
>>> Probably just the BASE packages.
>>> Or maybe the kernel + FreeCOM only.
>>>
>>> You may also want to look at SvarDOS' floppy images:
>>> http://www.svardos.org/?p=files=20220314
>>>
>>> SvarDOS is based on FreeDOS, but kernel is currently still from FD 1.2,
>>> IIRC.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Robert
>>> --
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installing freedos to virtualbox them copying dice contents to an actual computer

[John Vella]

I'll be honest and say I'm starting to second guess myself here... Reading
a totally unrelated email at work this morning, I wondered why I'm even
bothering with wordperfect. I only need a basic text editor. I'm not
interested in spell check, as I'll do that on the editing machine, so
bringing it down to the minimum, freedos and whatever text editor is
included would actually do the job nicely.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022, 12:42 Robert Riebisch,  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> > So, I've got the 486 computer working and am ready to install freedos
> > and wordperfect.
>
> What do *you* really need from FreeDOS to run WP?
> Probably just the BASE packages.
> Or maybe the kernel + FreeCOM only.
>
> You may also want to look at SvarDOS' floppy images:
> http://www.svardos.org/?p=files=20220314
>
> SvarDOS is based on FreeDOS, but kernel is currently still from FD 1.2,
> IIRC.
>
> Cheers,
> Robert
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installing freedos to virtualbox them copying dice contents to an actual computer

[John Vella]

The host machine will be more than capable, as I have installed virtual
freedos on this in the past. It's a 9th gen core i7 with 32gb, (I nearly
typed 32mb!) off ram but now I've had a chance to think about it I'll
probably just do the floppy install, purely because disk swapping is fun!

I'll end this by saying I also got a surprise when the machine started
working as I was convinced it had 4Mb of ram but it turns out that it's got
8 meg!



On Tue, 29 Mar 2022, 23:00 dmccunney,  wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 2:40 PM John Vella  wrote:
>
> > So, I've got the 486 computer working and am ready to install freedos
> and wordperfect.
> >
> > I'm thinking there are a couple of advantages to installing onto a
> virtualbox machine, then formatting the physical hard drive and copying the
> contents over.
> >
> > It would be a lot quicker to install and I'd have a clean image if I
> ever need to reinstall.
>
> What machine will VirtualBox be running on?  If your VirtualBox host
> machine can run it acceptably, you *may* have a plan.
>
> Getting FreeDOS working in VirtualBox can be non-trivial. Jim Hall and
> others here can provide pointers
>
> > Is there an obvious flaw to my plan?
>
> If your main intent is a quicker install, it's likely to be faster to
> just install FreeDOS and WP on the 486 on the bare metal instead of
> creating an image in VirtualBox.  (It will take the same time to do it
> in VirtualBox, with the added overhead of getting it to run in
> VirtualBox in the first place.)
>
> In the old days, when you got a new machine, you booted DOS from
> floppy, formatted the HD from DOS with format /s (which copied the DOS
> system files to the HD,)then removed the floppy, rebooted from the HD,
> and carried on.
>
> That is likely still your best option.
>
> Personally, were I to install FreeDOS in VirtualBox or another virtual
> machine, I'd do it because I wanted a full working FreeDOS
> installation, and I didn't *have* an Old Skool machine to do a bare
> metal install on.
>
> > John.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Ré : Installing freedos to virtualbox them copying dice contents to an actual computer

[John Vella]

Hi Eric!

I do have the img images for wordperfect, which I have transferred to
floppy disk. The pc doesn't boot from cd, in fact I can't even get the bios
to recognise the cd drive, as the hard drive parameters have to be manually
entered. I have an isa sound Blaster awe 64 value, with ide connector,
which I believe will allow me to access the drive, although boring from it
probably won't be possible. Not a problem!

My main problem at this point is that the pc is currently in the living
room, which is another reason for the original virtual machine plan.

Thinking about it, I could actually have done the complete installation
from floppy disk by now! I'll have a look tomorrow.


On Tue, 29 Mar 2022, 22:36 Eric Auer,  wrote:

>
> Hi!
>
> I think wordperfect for DOS came on floppies, yes.
> And you can connect ATAPI CD/DVD drives to typical
> 486  computers. There also are special boot loaders
> which you can load from floppy to continue booting
> from CD/DVD in case your BIOS does not yet support
> direct booting from CD/DVD :-)
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[Freedos-user] Installing freedos to virtualbox them copying dice contents to an actual computer

[John Vella]

Hi,

So, I've got the 486 computer working and am ready to install freedos and
wordperfect.

I'm thinking there are a couple of advantages to installing onto a
virtualbox machine, then formatting the physical hard drive and copying the
contents over.

It would be a lot quicker to install and I'd have a clean image if I ever
need to reinstall.

Is there an obvious flaw to my plan?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS virtual get-together coming up on March 20

[John Vella]

4pm local time for those in the UK. I look forward to seeing you all then.


On Sun, 20 Mar 2022, 04:02 Jim Hall,  wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> Don't forget- our next FreeDOS virtual get-together is in 12 hours, at *11am
> US/Central on Sunday, March 20.*
>
> I'll share the link to the virtual meeting before the meeting starts.
> We'll use BlueJeans. You can join from your browser, but I found better
> performance using the desktop meeting client.
>
> See you then!
>
> Jim
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 4:58 PM Jim Hall  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> Every month (on the third Sunday), we have a virtual get-together so
>> we can meet online, and get to know each other as more than just an
>> email address. We alternate topics every month, between "social time"
>> and "technical," so people know what we'll focus on for that meeting.
>> (Some folks just want to be there for tech topics, others just want to
>> meet people.) For the March get-together, it's social time.
>>
>> We'll meet online at 11am US/Central on Sunday, March 20. Use your
>> favorite timezone converter to find your local time.
>>
>> I use BlueJeans for my consulting business, and BlueJeans worked well
>> last month. So we'll use BlueJeans again this month. You can join from
>> your browser or using the desktop meeting client from bluejeans.com -
>> I recommend the desktop client for best performance.
>>
>> I'll share the meeting URL here (and on the website, and on Twitter,
>> and on Facebook, etc) shortly before the meeting starts. If I share
>> the meeting URL too far in advance, spammers try to hit it and
>> BlueJeans shuts down the meeting link.
>>
>> See you on Sunday!
>>
>>
>> Jim
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Re: [Freedos-user] Total newby question

[John Vella]

Equally newb reply... It's there any advantage over installing virtualbox
and running freedos there?

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 23:29 Joseph Kelchner,  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I’m wondering if Freedos could be used as my operating system on a Windows
> 10 pro Hyper-V Virtual Machine?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joe
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Re: [Freedos-user] Jim at FOSDEM on Saturday

[John Vella]

That sounds interesting. I really hope I can make it and if not, that there
will be an opportunity to watch a replay.

On Thu, 3 Feb 2022, 18:13 Jim Hall,  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> I thought you might be interested in my conference talk at FOSDEM on
> Saturday *this week*. I'm talking about the history of spreadsheets in
> the retrocomputing devroom:
>
> https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/track/retrocomputing/
>
>
> From LANPAR to VisiCalc to Lotus 123 to Quattro Pro to LibreOffice Calc
> and Excel. It's quite a ride! And I think you'll find it interesting how
> spreadsheets have evolved (or not) since the 1970s. Today's Excel isn't
> that different from VisiCalc on the Apple II or on DOS, at least not in the
> basics of how to use a spreadsheet.
>
> The talk is pre-recorded but I'll be live in the comments answering
> questions throughout.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

[John Vella]

My problem is that I sit down wanting to write a chapter or two, and the
ideas are in my head, (no, really!) but then I'll accidentally fire up
YouTube or even worse, Kick Off 2 Online. Once that happens, the chances of
getting any work done are reduced to virtually zero!

On Sun, 26 Dec 2021, 16:22 Bryan Kilgallin,  wrote:

> Dear John:
>
> > I'm guessing that I'm the only one who isn't interested in connecting to
> > the Internet using freedos. I wouldn't have a problem with others doing
> > it,but for me it would be yet another distraction. 
>
> I think of the Internet as a bag of vulnerabilities! I don't need my
> FreeDOS PC connected.--
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Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

[John Vella]

I'm guessing that I'm the only one who isn't interested in connecting to
the Internet using freedos. I wouldn't have a problem with others doing
it,but for me it would be yet another distraction. 

On Sat, 25 Dec 2021, 14:19 Travis Siegel,  wrote:

> How very cool.  Wasn't aware that had been done.  Thanks for that.  Now
> I need to find some time to actually look at that, old as it is, I'm
> always fascinated by such things.
>
> Would have been nice if they'd released 3.3 though, since that's a lot
> closer to being useful. :)
>
>
> On 12/24/2021 11:47 PM, Jon Brase wrote:
> > This is much more recently than I think you're thinking:
> >
> > https://github.com/Microsoft/MS-DOS
> >
> > Dec 24, 2021 22:42:44 Travis Siegel :
> >
> >
> >> That was caldera that released their opendos  as opensource, not
> Microsoft.
> >>
> >> There were versions of ms dos that escaped into the wild, but it wasn't
> a sanctioned release from microsoft.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

[John Vella]

I'm going to make it my new year project to finish getting the 80486 pc
working, and once I've upgraded the memory, (4 Meg isn't going to be
enough, is it?) I'll be using freedos as the only operating system for my
distraction free writing pc.

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021, 22:00 Jim Hall,  wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 2:11 PM Jon Brase  wrote:
> > They're not talking about it in the context of log4j itself, they're
> > talking about it in the context of other open source projects, that
> > don't have something like the Apache foundation behind them, that
> > are critical infrastructure, but have one or two maintainers working
> > on them as a labor of love alongside a day job, and the potential,
> > as such projects become legacy software, for them to still be
> > half-maintained (and maybe maintain a significant user base) long
> > after an institutionally maintained project would have officially
> > been EOLed.
> >
> > And there is something of that kind of risk with any DOS variety
> > still in use. Any remote execution vulnerability, through any
> > network-aware DOS software, is basically automatically a remote root
> > vulnerability by the nature of the system. Now, most FreeDOS users
> > are probably using it for retrogaming and such and not for anything
> > business-critical, but anybody using it in an embedded setting needs
> > to be really careful about exposing it to the network.
> >
> > I really wonder how that would effect DOS, after all there is no
> > web interface, nor any Java in (Free)DOS. So (without having watched
> > this rather long video yet), any such conclusion seems to be a bit
> > far fetch IMHO...
>
>
> The statement in the video (starts at about 24:00, for others who want
> to watch it) was awkwardly made. This person makes the statement that
> some open source projects should just shut down rather than keep going
> (I'm paraphrasing broadly here). And gives the example of "If MS-DOS
> were open source" he opines that it shouldn't go on.
>
> Putting aside the fact that Microsoft did eventually release (early
> versions of) MS-DOS under an open source license, this guy is just
> wrong. Lots of people use DOS and FreeDOS to do useful things, like
> running classic DOS games or applications, and supporting some
> embedded systems or control systems.
>
> I usually try to see the other person's point of view - but in this
> case, he's off base. Whatever.
>
> Jim
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS virtual get-together this weekend (social time!)

[John Vella]

Hi all,

If this month's virtual get-together is social time, would everybody be OK
with me installing FreeDOS on an old Toshiba laptop, and giving a running
commentary, (occasional updates, not literally "I'm plugging in the USB
stick!) while we're chatting away?

Cheers,

John.

PS. I will probably have a glass of whisky, to keep me company. ;-)


On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 at 23:47, Jim Hall  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:24 PM Ralf Quint  wrote:
>
>> On 11/17/2021 2:32 PM, Jim Hall wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> Every month, we do a virtual get-together. It's a great opportunity to
>> see each other "in person" and get to know each other a little better.
>>
>> The virtual get-togethers are on the third Sunday every month. And that's
>> this coming Sunday, 21 November, at 11am US/Central. (Use your favorite
>> timezone converter to find your local time.)
>>
>> We alternate the topics every month, switching between "technical" topics
>> one month, and "social time" the next month. For November, it's social
>> time. Join us on the virtual get-together to hang out and catch up!
>>
>> I'll share the link on Sunday when the meeting starts up. I'll also post
>> it on Twitter, on Facebook, and on the website.
>>
>> Any possibility to post that link a few minute before the planned start
>> of the meeting? For some reason, it always takes me 5-10 minutes to
>> actually connect... :(
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Ralf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Will do! I'll share the link here probably 30 minutes before the meeting.
>
> If I post a URL to an open video meeting *days* before the meeting,
> hackers will be knocking on the door trying to use it. And then BlueJeans
> will likely deactivate the link due to spam (they did that last time, or
> was it the time before that?) So I don't want to post it too early. But
> I'll do it that morning, before the meeting is due to start.
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS virtual get-together this weekend (social time!)

[John Vella]

A link would be really useful. :)

On Fri, 19 Nov 2021, 18:25 Ralf Quint,  wrote:

> On 11/17/2021 2:32 PM, Jim Hall wrote:
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> Every month, we do a virtual get-together. It's a great opportunity to see
> each other "in person" and get to know each other a little better.
>
> The virtual get-togethers are on the third Sunday every month. And that's
> this coming Sunday, 21 November, at 11am US/Central. (Use your favorite
> timezone converter to find your local time.)
>
> We alternate the topics every month, switching between "technical" topics
> one month, and "social time" the next month. For November, it's social
> time. Join us on the virtual get-together to hang out and catch up!
>
> I'll share the link on Sunday when the meeting starts up. I'll also post
> it on Twitter, on Facebook, and on the website.
>
> Any possibility to post that link a few minute before the planned start of
> the meeting? For some reason, it always takes me 5-10 minutes to actually
> connect... :(
>
> thanks,
>
> Ralf
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[John Vella]

Agree!

On Thu, 14 Oct 2021, 07:33 Thomas Mueller,  wrote:

> from Jim Hall:
>
>
> > I don't know why the sources later had an "AMD" statement put on them,
> > but you cannot claim "proprietary" or "copyright" on something that
> > was previously released under the GNU General Public License.
>
> > It appears that somewhere along the line, someone (at AMD?) had access
> > to the sources, probably in a larger source tree, and ran a batch job
> > or script to apply the "AMD" statement to a bunch of source files. And
> > that happened to catch these GPL and public domain source files. I
> > believe that was done in error. The original public domain and GPL
> > declarations trump the latter "AMD" statement.
>
>
> > Resolution:
>
>
> > (1) Let's re-accept the FDNET package into the next FreeDOS distribution.
>
> > (2) I'll make a note about this decision in the FreeDOS wiki at
> > http://wiki.freedos.org/wiki/index.php/Releases/1.3/Packages
> > (this currently has a red "do not include" note on it .. I'll update
> > to change it a green "include" message)
>
> > (3) To prevent future confusion, I'll create a new version of these
> > source files that *removes* the "AMD" statement, where a previous GPL
> > or public domain declaration was already made. (I think that's all of
> > the files in question.) I'll also create (or update, if it exists) a
> > README file to note the changes to the source files, and why.
>
>
> > I look forward to including networking support again in the next
> > distribution, which should be FreeDOS 1.3 RC5.
>
>
> > *If you agree or disagree, I'd appreciate your reply to this email.
> > Agreement can be simply "agree" or "+1". If you disagree, please
> > discuss. (But consensus from the last discussion favored including
> > FDNET, so if no one disagrees now, I'll assume no concerns on this.)
>
> Agree
>
> Tom
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Re: [Freedos-user] Clear your calendar!

[John Vella]

Cool! You never know, I might finally get around to finishing putting
together my 486 PC. That'll be fun!

On Tue, 20 Apr 2021, 10:40 Jerome Shidel,  wrote:

> Clear your calendar and get ready!
>
> FreeDOS 1.3-RC4 is only days away.
>
> RC4 is in it’s final stage of testing and tweaking.
>
> There are loads of changes.
>
> Possibly more changes from RC3-RC4 than there was going from 1.2 to
> 1.3-RC1.
>
> :-)
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Virtual Get-together

[John Vella]

Sorry guys, couldn't make it today, as it's the wife's birthday. Next time!


On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, 17:40 Ralf Quint,  wrote:

> On 2/21/2021 9:37 AM, Geraldo Netto wrote:
> > Hi folks!
> >
> > Is it still happening?
>
> Yes, we are on with 6 guys right now, just come on in... ;-)
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] PXE/Serva

[John Vella]

Hi guys,

Apologies if I'm way off target here, as I am no FreeDOS expert, but as
soon as I read the words "Opcode error" my first thought was has he tried
pressing tab and adding the word raw to the end of the command line in the
boot options?

Hope this helps,

John.


On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 at 14:42, Tomas By  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Am trying to install Freedos using Serva. The machine does not allow
> boot from USB (and there is no other removable media).
>
> Am getting `Invalid Opcode at 0FAE 1068 0046 0001 0002 ...'
>
> Have tried 1.2 and 1.3, the floppy.img files. This seems to be a
> requirement of Serva. I also tried one of the USB files, but did not
> even get it to boot (it just printed dots for a while and the
> rebooted, iirc).
>
> Is there a way to install over PXE?
>
> /Tomas
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