Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Turbo C 2.01

2017-05-06 Thread Ira Minor 
From: Ira Minor 

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I run Turbo C 2.01 on FreeDOS 1.2 and MS-DOS 7.1 with no problems of any
kind.

Ira

irami...@gmail.com  805-212-0588

On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Abe Mishler  wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> I would like to run Borland's Turbo C 2.01 (freely available now from [0])
> under FreeDOS. I can only get the IDE (TC.EXE) to run under MS-DOS (I have
> 6.22) which is somewhat disappointing given my goal of using FreeDOS.
>
> I did some searching regarding this issue and found this thread [1] and
> after attempting to replace the KERNEL.SYS with multiple others, none have
> fixed the problem.
>
> Anyways, I would expect FreeDOS 1.2 to come with an updated kernel that
> could do this kind of memory allocation out of the box. Perhaps that's not
> the issue.
>
> Is anybody else running the Turbo C 2.01 IDE under FreeDOS? I appreciate
> any help towards this end.
>
> [0] http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/20841
> [1] http://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/HELP-Turbo-C-3-0-
> won-t-run-td6716.html
>
> Best,
> Abe
>
> 
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I
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On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Abe Mishler
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target="_blank">a...@mishlerlabs.com wrote:Hey
everyone,I would like to run Borlands Turbo
C 2.01 (freely available now from [0]) under FreeDOS. I can only get the IDE
(TC.EXE) to run under MS-DOS (I have 6.22) which is somewhat disappointing
given my goal of using FreeDOS.-aI did some searching
regarding this issue and found this thread [1] and after attempting to replace
the KERNEL.SYS with multiple others, none have fixed the
problem.Anyways, I would expect FreeDOS 1.2 to come
with an updated kernel that could do this kind of memory allocation out of the
box. Perhaps thats not the issue.Is anybody else
running the Turbo C 2.01 IDE under FreeDOS? I appreciate any help towards this
end.[0]-ahttp://edn.embarcadero.com/article/20841; 
target="_blank">http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/20841[1]-ahttp://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/HELP-Turbo-C-3-0-won-t-run-td6716.html;
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Turbo C 2.01

2017-05-06 Thread Rugxulo 
From: Rugxulo 

Hi,

On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Abe Mishler  wrote:
>
> Is anybody else running the Turbo C 2.01 IDE under FreeDOS? I appreciate any
> help towards this end.

I don't normally use IDEs. The very few times I do, I use TC++101
instead (which has less bugs and is noticeably faster code). While
Embarcadero has annoying restrictions, you can still allegedly
download (newer) TC++ but maybe have to (also) download (Windows)
trialware/bloatware first. So please try that, it's a better choice.

https://edn.embarcadero.com/article/21751

Just for completeness, you can dual boot MS-DOS and FreeDOS with
MetaKern. But I don't think it's necessary, and I'd honestly be
surprised if this was truly a kernel bug.

The only quirk I remember hearing about in recent years was slowdown
(in Borland IDEs) due to FDAPM, but that can be worked around by using
"ADV:REG" instead.

Sorry if that's not quite the perfect solution you want to hear.
Honestly, we have so many other compilers that few consider Borland
tools that crucial anymore. (I know some people prefer them, but we
don't *need* them, thankfully.)

If all you want is error checking (jump to compiler errors in editor),
I think even a DJGPP compile of JED supported that. Heck, a lot of
text editors (TPE?) also supported such error-jumping.

http://texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TPE

Normally, since it is OSI-approved and supports cross-compilation,
OpenWatcom is preferred for FreeDOS development. It doesn't come with
a (DOS) IDE, only a vi clone. IIRC, although I only tried it maybe
once, there was also an old third-party (DOS, Watcom) IDE called
PowerView, which you can find (and sources) on Simtel mirror under
/pgmutl/ (pvide50.zip, pvidesrc.zip):

http://cd.textfiles.com/simtel0101/simtel/pgmutl/

Other than that, I don't know what to tell you. (DJGPP has old/dead
RHIDE, and FPC has its own [Go32v2] IDE.)

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Turbo C 2.01

2017-05-06 Thread Abe Mishler 
From: Abe Mishler 

Thanks. I'll look into OpenWatcom. I see it is supposed to have a nice debugger
and Id used it for Doom. Interesting.

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 1:11 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Abe Mishler  wrote:
>>
>> Is anybody else running the Turbo C 2.01 IDE under FreeDOS? I appreciate any
>> help towards this end.
>
> I don't normally use IDEs. The very few times I do, I use TC++101
> instead (which has less bugs and is noticeably faster code). While
> Embarcadero has annoying restrictions, you can still allegedly
> download (newer) TC++ but maybe have to (also) download (Windows)
> trialware/bloatware first. So please try that, it's a better choice.
>
> https://edn.embarcadero.com/article/21751
>
> Just for completeness, you can dual boot MS-DOS and FreeDOS with
> MetaKern. But I don't think it's necessary, and I'd honestly be
> surprised if this was truly a kernel bug.
>
> The only quirk I remember hearing about in recent years was slowdown
> (in Borland IDEs) due to FDAPM, but that can be worked around by using
> "ADV:REG" instead.
>
> Sorry if that's not quite the perfect solution you want to hear.
> Honestly, we have so many other compilers that few consider Borland
> tools that crucial anymore. (I know some people prefer them, but we
> don't *need* them, thankfully.)
>
> If all you want is error checking (jump to compiler errors in editor),
> I think even a DJGPP compile of JED supported that. Heck, a lot of
> text editors (TPE?) also supported such error-jumping.
>
> http://texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TPE
>
> Normally, since it is OSI-approved and supports cross-compilation,
> OpenWatcom is preferred for FreeDOS development. It doesn't come with
> a (DOS) IDE, only a vi clone. IIRC, although I only tried it maybe
> once, there was also an old third-party (DOS, Watcom) IDE called
> PowerView, which you can find (and sources) on Simtel mirror under
> /pgmutl/ (pvide50.zip, pvidesrc.zip):
>
> http://cd.textfiles.com/simtel0101/simtel/pgmutl/
>
> Other than that, I don't know what to tell you. (DJGPP has old/dead
> RHIDE, and FPC has its own [Go32v2] IDE.)
>
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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Turbo C 2.01

2017-05-06 Thread Abe Mishler 
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Hey everyone,

I would like to run Borland's Turbo C 2.01 (freely available now from [0])
under FreeDOS. I can only get the IDE (TC.EXE) to run under MS-DOS (I have
6.22) which is somewhat disappointing given my goal of using FreeDOS.

I did some searching regarding this issue and found this thread [1] and after
attempting to replace the KERNEL.SYS with multiple others, none have fixed the
problem.

Anyways, I would expect FreeDOS 1.2 to come with an updated kernel that could
do this kind of memory allocation out of the box. Perhaps that's not the issue.

Is anybody else running the Turbo C 2.01 IDE under FreeDOS? I appreciate any
help towards this end.

[0] http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/20841
[1] http://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/HELP-Turbo-C-3-0-won-t-run-td6716.html

Best,
Abe
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Hey
everyone,I would like to run Borland's Turbo C
2.01 (freely available now from [0]) under FreeDOS. I can only get the IDE
(TC.EXE) to run under MS-DOS (I have 6.22) which is somewhat disappointing
given my goal of using FreeDOS.I did some
searching regarding this issue and found this thread [1] and after attempting
to replace the KERNEL.SYS with multiple others, none have fixed the
problem.Anyways, I would expect FreeDOS 1.2 to come
with an updated kernel that could do this kind of memory allocation out of the
box. Perhaps that's not the issue.Is anybody else
running the Turbo C 2.01 IDE under FreeDOS? I appreciate any help towards this
end.[0]http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/20841;>http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/20841[1]http://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/HELP-Turbo-C-3-0-won-t-run-td6716.html;>http://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/HELP-Turbo-C-3-0-won-t-run-td6716.htmlBest,Abe
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Turbo C 2.01

2017-05-06 Thread Ralf Quint 
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On 3/19/2017 9:29 PM, Ira Minor wrote:
> I run Turbo C 2.01 on FreeDOS 1.2 and MS-DOS 7.1 with no problems of
> any kind.
Do you run the command line compiler or are you using the IDE, as Abe
was trying to do?

I haven't really bothered with TC 2.01 as I own Borland C(++)3.1 and
with that one, there used to be issues finding the right memory manager
setup.

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On 3/19/2017 9:29 PM, Ira Minor wrote:


  
I
  run Turbo C 2.01 on FreeDOS 1.2 and MS-DOS 7.1 with no
  problems of any kind.
  

Do you run the command line compiler or are you using the IDE, as
Abe was trying to do?

I haven't really bothered with TC 2
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Turbo C 2.01

2017-03-20 Thread Abe Mishler 
Thanks. I'll look into OpenWatcom. I see it is supposed to have a nice debugger 
and Id used it for Doom. Interesting.

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 1:11 PM, Rugxulo  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Abe Mishler  wrote:
>> 
>> Is anybody else running the Turbo C 2.01 IDE under FreeDOS? I appreciate any
>> help towards this end.
> 
> I don't normally use IDEs. The very few times I do, I use TC++101
> instead (which has less bugs and is noticeably faster code). While
> Embarcadero has annoying restrictions, you can still allegedly
> download (newer) TC++ but maybe have to (also) download (Windows)
> trialware/bloatware first. So please try that, it's a better choice.
> 
> https://edn.embarcadero.com/article/21751
> 
> Just for completeness, you can dual boot MS-DOS and FreeDOS with
> MetaKern. But I don't think it's necessary, and I'd honestly be
> surprised if this was truly a kernel bug.
> 
> The only quirk I remember hearing about in recent years was slowdown
> (in Borland IDEs) due to FDAPM, but that can be worked around by using
> "ADV:REG" instead.
> 
> Sorry if that's not quite the perfect solution you want to hear.
> Honestly, we have so many other compilers that few consider Borland
> tools that crucial anymore. (I know some people prefer them, but we
> don't *need* them, thankfully.)
> 
> If all you want is error checking (jump to compiler errors in editor),
> I think even a DJGPP compile of JED supported that. Heck, a lot of
> text editors (TPE?) also supported such error-jumping.
> 
> http://texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TPE
> 
> Normally, since it is OSI-approved and supports cross-compilation,
> OpenWatcom is preferred for FreeDOS development. It doesn't come with
> a (DOS) IDE, only a vi clone. IIRC, although I only tried it maybe
> once, there was also an old third-party (DOS, Watcom) IDE called
> PowerView, which you can find (and sources) on Simtel mirror under
> /pgmutl/ (pvide50.zip, pvidesrc.zip):
> 
> http://cd.textfiles.com/simtel0101/simtel/pgmutl/
> 
> Other than that, I don't know what to tell you. (DJGPP has old/dead
> RHIDE, and FPC has its own [Go32v2] IDE.)
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Turbo C 2.01

2017-03-20 Thread Rugxulo 
Hi,

On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Abe Mishler  wrote:
>
> Is anybody else running the Turbo C 2.01 IDE under FreeDOS? I appreciate any
> help towards this end.

I don't normally use IDEs. The very few times I do, I use TC++101
instead (which has less bugs and is noticeably faster code). While
Embarcadero has annoying restrictions, you can still allegedly
download (newer) TC++ but maybe have to (also) download (Windows)
trialware/bloatware first. So please try that, it's a better choice.

https://edn.embarcadero.com/article/21751

Just for completeness, you can dual boot MS-DOS and FreeDOS with
MetaKern. But I don't think it's necessary, and I'd honestly be
surprised if this was truly a kernel bug.

The only quirk I remember hearing about in recent years was slowdown
(in Borland IDEs) due to FDAPM, but that can be worked around by using
"ADV:REG" instead.

Sorry if that's not quite the perfect solution you want to hear.
Honestly, we have so many other compilers that few consider Borland
tools that crucial anymore. (I know some people prefer them, but we
don't *need* them, thankfully.)

If all you want is error checking (jump to compiler errors in editor),
I think even a DJGPP compile of JED supported that. Heck, a lot of
text editors (TPE?) also supported such error-jumping.

http://texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TPE

Normally, since it is OSI-approved and supports cross-compilation,
OpenWatcom is preferred for FreeDOS development. It doesn't come with
a (DOS) IDE, only a vi clone. IIRC, although I only tried it maybe
once, there was also an old third-party (DOS, Watcom) IDE called
PowerView, which you can find (and sources) on Simtel mirror under
/pgmutl/ (pvide50.zip, pvidesrc.zip):

http://cd.textfiles.com/simtel0101/simtel/pgmutl/

Other than that, I don't know what to tell you. (DJGPP has old/dead
RHIDE, and FPC has its own [Go32v2] IDE.)

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Turbo C 2.01

2017-03-20 Thread Ralf Quint 

On 3/19/2017 9:29 PM, Ira Minor wrote:
I run Turbo C 2.01 on FreeDOS 1.2 and MS-DOS 7.1 with no problems of 
any kind.
Do you run the command line compiler or are you using the IDE, as Abe 
was trying to do?


I haven't really bothered with TC 2.01 as I own Borland C(++)3.1 and 
with that one, there used to be issues finding the right memory manager 
setup.


Ralf


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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Turbo C 2.01

2017-03-19 Thread Ira Minor 
I run Turbo C 2.01 on FreeDOS 1.2 and MS-DOS 7.1 with no problems of any
kind.

Ira

irami...@gmail.com  805-212-0588

On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Abe Mishler  wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> I would like to run Borland's Turbo C 2.01 (freely available now from [0])
> under FreeDOS. I can only get the IDE (TC.EXE) to run under MS-DOS (I have
> 6.22) which is somewhat disappointing given my goal of using FreeDOS.
>
> I did some searching regarding this issue and found this thread [1] and
> after attempting to replace the KERNEL.SYS with multiple others, none have
> fixed the problem.
>
> Anyways, I would expect FreeDOS 1.2 to come with an updated kernel that
> could do this kind of memory allocation out of the box. Perhaps that's not
> the issue.
>
> Is anybody else running the Turbo C 2.01 IDE under FreeDOS? I appreciate
> any help towards this end.
>
> [0] http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/20841
> [1] http://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/HELP-Turbo-C-3-0-
> won-t-run-td6716.html
>
> Best,
> Abe
>
> 
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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS and Turbo C 2.01

2017-03-19 Thread Abe Mishler 
Hey everyone,

I would like to run Borland's Turbo C 2.01 (freely available now from [0]) 
under FreeDOS. I can only get the IDE (TC.EXE) to run under MS-DOS (I have 
6.22) which is somewhat disappointing given my goal of using FreeDOS. 

I did some searching regarding this issue and found this thread [1] and after 
attempting to replace the KERNEL.SYS with multiple others, none have fixed the 
problem.

Anyways, I would expect FreeDOS 1.2 to come with an updated kernel that could 
do this kind of memory allocation out of the box. Perhaps that's not the issue.

Is anybody else running the Turbo C 2.01 IDE under FreeDOS? I appreciate any 
help towards this end.

[0] http://edn.embarcadero.com/article/20841
[1] http://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/HELP-Turbo-C-3-0-won-t-run-td6716.html

Best,
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