Re: [Freedos-user] about lfn...?
Hi, On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > indeed they are referring to doslfn, but as I am not sure, I have written > to ask just what edition. Also which of freedos. > they sent me the line they are loading...thoughts? > > LH DOSLFN /Z:C:\DOS71\CP437UNI.TBL > > I feel sure they are not running what is current, and as their complaint > is that the line does not work, it may not be by choice. Recent versions did fix bugs regarding /Z , see below: " Version 0.41a (1/2012) - command line was corrupted by variables (prevented -z from working) Version 0.41b (2/2012) - fixed -z loading a DBCS file to XMS when resident " So your friend can try grabbing latest to see if it fixes his/her problem: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/util/system/doslfn/0.41/doslfn041b.zip (300 kb) -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] about lfn...?
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi Chris, > indeed they are referring to doslfn, but as I am not sure, I have written > to ask just what edition. Also which of freedos. > they sent me the line they are loading...thoughts? > > LH DOSLFN /Z:C:\DOS71\CP437UNI.TBL > > I feel sure they are not running what is current, and as their complaint > is that the line does not work, it may not be by choice. > Still part of their issue has to do with how wordperfect displays long > file names, which it can do, but which they may not have allowed. They may be going through more trouble than they have to. If I get what is being done here correctly, there probably ought to be a space between /Z: and C:\DOS71\CP437UNI.TBL, and the : following Z may be out of place. LH DOSLFN /Z C:\DOS71\CP437UNI.TBL The /Z switch specifies a code page to support, and the following parm is where to find it. Code page 437 is the standard IBM-PC code page, and is probably the default, so it may not be necessary to specify it at all. I load FreeDOS's LFN support here as "installhigh=c:\dev\doslfn.com " and things work. (I put such things in a \dev directory, because I like a Unix-like directory structure. > Thanks again, > Karen __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] about lfn...?
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi Dennis, > this post made me smile. > how command.com is documented vs how it works indeed. > I am not sure what edition of freedos is being run, have written to ask. Invite your friend to join us and participate directly. > Thanks for your wisdom, > Karen __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] about lfn...?
Hi Dennis, this post made me smile. how command.com is documented vs how it works indeed. I am not sure what edition of freedos is being run, have written to ask. Thanks for your wisdom, Karen On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, dmccunney wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Karen Lewellen > wrote: >> Does freedos have its own long file name utility? > > Yes. It's a loadable driver. > >> If so, is it close enough to ms dos to be run? > > It seems to work here. > >> Just curious, the person I know seeking it says they are running freedos, >> but they are using the old ms dos 7.1 lfn command. >> Made little sense to me, unless there is no specific freedos utility for >> it? > > There is a FreeDOS LFN utility, but your friend may be unaware of it, > may simply prefer to use the MS-DOS driver, or the FreeDOS driver may > have subtle incompatibilities with the MS-DOS driver that bites your > friend but does not bite others. > > FreeDOS is entirely written by third party users with no MS-DOS code > to refer to, who had to reverse engineer what DOS did and try to > create software that did the same thing, Even if it works as MS-DOS > is *documented* to work, that may not be correct. Some time back, > someone was asking 4DOS author Rex Conn for a change to make it more > compatible with COMMAND.COM, and he asked "Do you want it to work the > way COMMAND.COM is *documented* to work, or the way it actually *does* > work?" > > The significant thing is that your friend can run FreeDOS and *get* > LFN support using MS driver. This means FreeDOS pretty much got > things right, as it tries to run anything real MS-DOS would. > >> thanks, >> Karen > __ > Dennis > https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] about lfn...?
Hi Chris, indeed they are referring to doslfn, but as I am not sure, I have written to ask just what edition. Also which of freedos. they sent me the line they are loading...thoughts? LH DOSLFN /Z:C:\DOS71\CP437UNI.TBL I feel sure they are not running what is current, and as their complaint is that the line does not work, it may not be by choice. Still part of their issue has to do with how wordperfect displays long file names, which it can do, but which they may not have allowed. Thanks again, Karen On Tue, 18 Sep 2012, C. Masloch wrote: > Hi Karen, > >> Does freedos have its own long file name utility? >> If so, is it close enough to ms dos to be run? >> Just curious, the person I know seeking it says they are running freedos, >> but they are using the old ms dos 7.1 lfn command. >> Made little sense to me, unless there is no specific freedos utility for >> it? > > It depends on what they mean by LFN command. I imagine they might be > referring to DOSLFN, the extension initially developed by Henrik Haftmann > which enables FAT's LFNs (for all LFN-aware applications) without needing > to load MS Windows. > > In that case, DOSLFN was developed to run on MS-DOS 7.00 and up initially, > but it now does function properly with older MS-DOS versions and others > such as DR-DOS and FreeDOS as well. In fact, it has been distributed along > with FreeDOS for some time, and most recently is maintained by Jason Hood > - not only for MS-DOS! In the FreeDOS website's software list, you can > find DOSLFN in the UTIL category, or with this direct link: > http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=doslfn > > If this doesn't seem similar enough to what they were referring to, it > might help if you could describe more what they and you mean by LFN > command. > > If they were referring to DOSLFN, then they can use their "old MS-DOS 7.1" > DOSLFN with FreeDOS, though it might be advisable for them to insure that > they're using an updated DOSLFN (for both MS-DOS and FreeDOS). If they > want that, please refer to Jason Hood's web page on DOSLFN (Primary site > in the software list entry, linked above) for selecting the appropriate > version - if you're using SHSUCDX or no CD FS redirector along with > DOSLFN, the latest DOSLFN version should be the right one. There's another > (older) one only required for using other CD FS redirectors such as MSCDEX > along with DOSLFN. The latest one is currently 0.41b, and the alternative > older one is 0.34d. > > Regards, > Chris > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] about lfn...?
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Does freedos have its own long file name utility? Yes. It's a loadable driver. > If so, is it close enough to ms dos to be run? It seems to work here. > Just curious, the person I know seeking it says they are running freedos, > but they are using the old ms dos 7.1 lfn command. > Made little sense to me, unless there is no specific freedos utility for > it? There is a FreeDOS LFN utility, but your friend may be unaware of it, may simply prefer to use the MS-DOS driver, or the FreeDOS driver may have subtle incompatibilities with the MS-DOS driver that bites your friend but does not bite others. FreeDOS is entirely written by third party users with no MS-DOS code to refer to, who had to reverse engineer what DOS did and try to create software that did the same thing, Even if it works as MS-DOS is *documented* to work, that may not be correct. Some time back, someone was asking 4DOS author Rex Conn for a change to make it more compatible with COMMAND.COM, and he asked "Do you want it to work the way COMMAND.COM is *documented* to work, or the way it actually *does* work?" The significant thing is that your friend can run FreeDOS and *get* LFN support using MS driver. This means FreeDOS pretty much got things right, as it tries to run anything real MS-DOS would. > thanks, > Karen __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] about lfn...?
Hi Karen, > Does freedos have its own long file name utility? > If so, is it close enough to ms dos to be run? > Just curious, the person I know seeking it says they are running freedos, > but they are using the old ms dos 7.1 lfn command. > Made little sense to me, unless there is no specific freedos utility for > it? It depends on what they mean by LFN command. I imagine they might be referring to DOSLFN, the extension initially developed by Henrik Haftmann which enables FAT's LFNs (for all LFN-aware applications) without needing to load MS Windows. In that case, DOSLFN was developed to run on MS-DOS 7.00 and up initially, but it now does function properly with older MS-DOS versions and others such as DR-DOS and FreeDOS as well. In fact, it has been distributed along with FreeDOS for some time, and most recently is maintained by Jason Hood - not only for MS-DOS! In the FreeDOS website's software list, you can find DOSLFN in the UTIL category, or with this direct link: http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=doslfn If this doesn't seem similar enough to what they were referring to, it might help if you could describe more what they and you mean by LFN command. If they were referring to DOSLFN, then they can use their "old MS-DOS 7.1" DOSLFN with FreeDOS, though it might be advisable for them to insure that they're using an updated DOSLFN (for both MS-DOS and FreeDOS). If they want that, please refer to Jason Hood's web page on DOSLFN (Primary site in the software list entry, linked above) for selecting the appropriate version - if you're using SHSUCDX or no CD FS redirector along with DOSLFN, the latest DOSLFN version should be the right one. There's another (older) one only required for using other CD FS redirectors such as MSCDEX along with DOSLFN. The latest one is currently 0.41b, and the alternative older one is 0.34d. Regards, Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] about lfn...?
Does freedos have its own long file name utility? If so, is it close enough to ms dos to be run? Just curious, the person I know seeking it says they are running freedos, but they are using the old ms dos 7.1 lfn command. Made little sense to me, unless there is no specific freedos utility for it? thanks, Karen -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
