Re: [Freedos-user] challenging dos question.
You can also use the following to make the file show normally: attrib FILE.NAM -s -h -r or attrib * -s -h -rattrib *.* -s -h -r On Saturday, December 2, 2017 1:09 PM, dmccunney wrote: On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi folks, > its complicated. However, is there a way to copy over a file that is > technically hidden? > having a bit of a computer crisis. DOS recognizes four file attributes: archive, read-only, hidden, and system. The ATTRIB command should allow you to diddle them. See https://www.computerhope.com/attribhl.htm Hidden simply means the file doesn't show in a DIR list, but I don't recall it preventing copying over it. If it's also read-only, you'll get a permission denied error. Offhand, you should be able to run ATTRIB, clear the read-only and hidden attributes, copy over the file, than restore read-only and hidden if desired. > thanks, > Kare __ Dennis -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] challenging dos question.
I have my external USB drive with me. It is normally what I use for backup. Will spend some time locating fresh editions of the Panasonic USB drivers I use, in case those are problematical on the c drive just now. i could not possibly find enough zip drives to do the job, my drives are quite large. Sort of funny, my c and e are the same drive, my d and f are the same. Cannot recall how they got crossed like that, but they are. thanks, Kare On Sat, 2 Dec 2017, John R. Sowden wrote: Based on your error messages, it sounds like there is a problem with the hard drive. If you have more than 1 physical hard drive, your best bet is to copy your data from the c: drive to the e: drive ASAP. If the "drives" are actually partitions of the same physical drive, I would copy the data off of the computer ASAP. An option to write to is a zip drive (100 MB each). It connects to the parallel (printer) port. 4dos is much more feature packed. command.com is a program that executes the commands you enter at the c:>. It also includes some internal commands. If DOS is your main OS, I would find 4DOS invaluable. As far as the OS (IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS) is concerned, command.com is just another program. Gates did not get into making the use of our computer and the OS that we licensed difficult until about Windows95. Luckily, Linux was lurking in the background ready to pounce. Again, this sounds like a hardware issue, specifically a hard drive getting ready to die. I would get my data off it fast. John On 12/02/2017 12:55 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Thanks to you Dennis, and john for this suggestion. The thing is that the file is command.com I noticed at the computer help source indicates that there is a system atrib option as well. granted I will check the options with my edition of atrib, still it might work I have more than one hard drive, with more than one copy of command.com for the same Dos edition. As I write I have no idea how my machine is running, it rebooted by accident and I barely got in again. Staying with amazing friends, but I have no access to a monitor. I have norton utilities 8.0, last edition for dos on a drive that seems undamaged. so I hope I can make a rescue disc of some kind before too much mayhem happens. Thanks again, Kare "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela. On Sat, 2 Dec 2017, John R. Sowden wrote: > use attrib to unhide it? then copy? > John > > > On 12/02/2017 10:38 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > Hi folks, > > its complicated. However, is there a way to copy over a file that > > is > > technically hidden? > > having > > a bit of a computer crisis. > > > > thanks, > > Kare > > > > "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his > > skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to > > hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to > > love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its > > opposite." Nelson Mandela. > > > > -- > > > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > > ___ > > Freedos-user mailing list > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > > > > -- > > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech com
Re: [Freedos-user] challenging dos question.
Based on your error messages, it sounds like there is a problem with the hard drive. If you have more than 1 physical hard drive, your best bet is to copy your data from the c: drive to the e: drive ASAP. If the "drives" are actually partitions of the same physical drive, I would copy the data off of the computer ASAP. An option to write to is a zip drive (100 MB each). It connects to the parallel (printer) port. 4dos is much more feature packed. command.com is a program that executes the commands you enter at the c:>. It also includes some internal commands. If DOS is your main OS, I would find 4DOS invaluable. As far as the OS (IO.SYS and MSDOS.SYS) is concerned, command.com is just another program. Gates did not get into making the use of our computer and the OS that we licensed difficult until about Windows95. Luckily, Linux was lurking in the background ready to pounce. Again, this sounds like a hardware issue, specifically a hard drive getting ready to die. I would get my data off it fast. John On 12/02/2017 12:55 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Thanks to you Dennis, and john for this suggestion. The thing is that the file is command.com I noticed at the computer help source indicates that there is a system atrib option as well. granted I will check the options with my edition of atrib, still it might work I have more than one hard drive, with more than one copy of command.com for the same Dos edition. As I write I have no idea how my machine is running, it rebooted by accident and I barely got in again. Staying with amazing friends, but I have no access to a monitor. I have norton utilities 8.0, last edition for dos on a drive that seems undamaged. so I hope I can make a rescue disc of some kind before too much mayhem happens. Thanks again, Kare "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela. On Sat, 2 Dec 2017, John R. Sowden wrote: use attrib to unhide it? then copy? John On 12/02/2017 10:38 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, its complicated. However, is there a way to copy over a file that is technically hidden? having a bit of a computer crisis. thanks, Kare "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] challenging dos question.
No problem if you know the full path and file name. If you have ATTRIB you can hit it with -H to make it visible. https://www.computerhope.com/attribhl.htm On Saturday, December 2, 2017, 11:56:07 AM MST, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, its complicated. However, is there a way to copy over a file that is technically hidden? having a bit of a computer crisis. thanks, Kare -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] challenging dos question.
Hi, will try to make this more understandable. I am hunting a new apartment in Toronto, with all or my major computer stuff in storage save this main one. I.I am staying with friends as expressed. Still when I arrived I did not open the case to make sure no connectors came loose. I did make some tests, ran chkdsk and allowed it to make repairs, at least some of them, intending to do more then I had time. Yesterday I tot a critical error on drive c, after several tries of retry though it kept going. I tried running another test started getting a sector error, then several not ready drive c ones. I finally got the invalid command interpreter on drive c, please type the file name of the command interpreter. because I have more than one drive I just typed the command interpreter from another drive, e in this case. That got things working, but I would still get the request as you say, each time I left a program. In general dos creates two copies of command.com, one stored on the c drive, the other is hidden. so I did copy and replace the copy of command.com on the c root level of my drive. I did not want to reboot, but it happened..a bit scary trying to get back in, which is why I am unsure I know how the machine is working. however the request for the command interpreter error is gone now. I only run msdos 7.1 on my machines, so do not think mixing in another command .com would be wise. Perhaps letting norton utilities create a rescue disk would be though. Thanks, Karen On Sat, 2 Dec 2017, dmccunney wrote: On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Thanks to you Dennis, and john for this suggestion. The thing is that the file is command.com You should have mentioned that earlier. What is the problem you are encountering that requires you to overwrite it? I noticed at the computer help source indicates that there is a system atrib option as well. granted I will check the options with my edition of atrib, still it might work I have more than one hard drive, with more than one copy of command.com for the same Dos edition. IIRC, the system attribute is on for the actual DOS files - MSDOS.SYS and IO.SYS (or IBMDOS.COM and IBMBIO.COM in the PC-DOS flavor.) I don't believe it's on for COMMAND.COM. That may be read only, but not hidden. (And I don't recall it being read-only. I used to use ATTRIB to apply read-only attributes to various DOS commands, but that was habit and being fussy, and not an actual requirement. It was just a way of preventing accidental "oops!" moments.) As I write I have no idea how my machine is running, it rebooted by accident and I barely got in again. Staying with amazing friends, but I have no access to a monitor. I have norton utilities 8.0, last edition for dos on a drive that seems undamaged. so I hope I can make a rescue disc of some kind before too much mayhem happens. The way command.com works, when it's loaded, a resident stub installs at the top of memory, and a transient interpreter is loaded below. When you run a program from DOS, the transient interpreter is overwritten to provide more memory. When the program is exited, the resident portion reloads the transient interpreter. (There's a CONFIG.SYS option usable to specify the location of the command interpreter is it doesn't happen to be COMMAND.COM in trhe root of the boot drive. If you have it available, I think you should be able to load 4DOS or the FreeDOS version of COMMAND from the existing instance, do what you need to do with ATTRIB from there, and then exit. Thanks again, Kare __ Dennis -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] challenging dos question.
On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Thanks to you Dennis, and john for this suggestion. > The thing is that the file is command.com You should have mentioned that earlier. What is the problem you are encountering that requires you to overwrite it? > I noticed at the computer help source indicates that there is a system atrib > option as well. granted I will check the options with my edition of atrib, > still it might work I have more than one hard drive, with more than one > copy of command.com for the same Dos edition. IIRC, the system attribute is on for the actual DOS files - MSDOS.SYS and IO.SYS (or IBMDOS.COM and IBMBIO.COM in the PC-DOS flavor.) I don't believe it's on for COMMAND.COM. That may be read only, but not hidden. (And I don't recall it being read-only. I used to use ATTRIB to apply read-only attributes to various DOS commands, but that was habit and being fussy, and not an actual requirement. It was just a way of preventing accidental "oops!" moments.) > As I write I have no idea how my machine is running, it rebooted by > accident and I barely got in again. > Staying with amazing friends, but I have no access to a monitor. > I have norton utilities 8.0, last edition for dos on a drive that seems > undamaged. so I hope I can make a rescue disc of some kind before too much > mayhem happens. The way command.com works, when it's loaded, a resident stub installs at the top of memory, and a transient interpreter is loaded below. When you run a program from DOS, the transient interpreter is overwritten to provide more memory. When the program is exited, the resident portion reloads the transient interpreter. (There's a CONFIG.SYS option usable to specify the location of the command interpreter is it doesn't happen to be COMMAND.COM in trhe root of the boot drive. If you have it available, I think you should be able to load 4DOS or the FreeDOS version of COMMAND from the existing instance, do what you need to do with ATTRIB from there, and then exit. > Thanks again, > Kare __ Dennis -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] challenging dos question.
Thanks to you Dennis, and john for this suggestion. The thing is that the file is command.com I noticed at the computer help source indicates that there is a system atrib option as well. granted I will check the options with my edition of atrib, still it might work I have more than one hard drive, with more than one copy of command.com for the same Dos edition. As I write I have no idea how my machine is running, it rebooted by accident and I barely got in again. Staying with amazing friends, but I have no access to a monitor. I have norton utilities 8.0, last edition for dos on a drive that seems undamaged. so I hope I can make a rescue disc of some kind before too much mayhem happens. Thanks again, Kare "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela. On Sat, 2 Dec 2017, John R. Sowden wrote: use attrib to unhide it? then copy? John On 12/02/2017 10:38 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, its complicated. However, is there a way to copy over a file that is technically hidden? having a bit of a computer crisis. thanks, Kare "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] challenging dos question.
use attrib to unhide it? then copy? John On 12/02/2017 10:38 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, its complicated. However, is there a way to copy over a file that is technically hidden? having a bit of a computer crisis. thanks, Kare "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] challenging dos question.
On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi folks, > its complicated. However, is there a way to copy over a file that is > technically hidden? > having a bit of a computer crisis. DOS recognizes four file attributes: archive, read-only, hidden, and system. The ATTRIB command should allow you to diddle them. See https://www.computerhope.com/attribhl.htm Hidden simply means the file doesn't show in a DIR list, but I don't recall it preventing copying over it. If it's also read-only, you'll get a permission denied error. Offhand, you should be able to run ATTRIB, clear the read-only and hidden attributes, copy over the file, than restore read-only and hidden if desired. > thanks, > Kare __ Dennis -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] challenging dos question.
Hi folks, its complicated. However, is there a way to copy over a file that is technically hidden? having a bit of a computer crisis. thanks, Kare "No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion ... People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love... For love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
