Re: [Freedos-user] please do never send files to a mailing list

2008-03-21 Thread Geraldo Netto
Hi Guys,

I'm sorry for this,
at least i hope Miguel got his answer :)

See Ya,

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On 21/03/2008, Halász Sándor Viktor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  2008/03/21 03:33 +0100, Eric Auer 
>
> While this is theoretically true, I must say I myself never visit
>  "group webpages" of for example the yahoo lists which I am reading
>  by email. It is just very convenient to get the mail by mail without
>  having to log in somewhere or check some webpage to see whether a
>  new posting has shown up etc ;-).
>  
>
> Only-online connection is irritating, although e-mail raises the problem
>  of deleting the irrelevant, or maybe the relevant, too, when one has
>  too much.
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Re: [Freedos-user] please do never send files to a mailing list

2008-03-20 Thread Hal�sz S�ndor Viktor
 2008/03/21 03:33 +0100, Eric Auer 
While this is theoretically true, I must say I myself never visit
"group webpages" of for example the yahoo lists which I am reading
by email. It is just very convenient to get the mail by mail without
having to log in somewhere or check some webpage to see whether a
new posting has shown up etc ;-).

Only-online connection is irritating, although e-mail raises the problem
of deleting the irrelevant, or maybe the relevant, too, when one has
too much.


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Re: [Freedos-user] please do never send files to a mailing list

2008-03-20 Thread Eric Auer

Hi John,

> I noticed the remark in the Xen posting, "please do never send files to a
> mailing list".  I think that this implies the need for a hosted discussion
> group arrangement.  That will preserve the history of discussions which I
> think has benefits for this group.

Well there already is an archive for our mailing lists on the web :-)
http://www.mail-archive.com/freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net/
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=freedos-user

> Given a history it would be possible given a really good archive search,
> quicker answers to well know questions and associated replies.

See above :-).

> Threads can have comments added at any time, either immediately
> or even years later.

You can do the same with email, but if I understand your suggestion
correctly, then you introduce the problem that comments would live
in www space while the original mails live in email space. So I would
say I prefer if people just reply to emails at any time ;-). Using
interfaces like nabble allows you to reply even to old archived mails
even without you ever having received that mail by mail, I believe?

> If something happens to the maintainers such as an injury or worse
> other could be found to take their places.  It would allow for a
> structured organization of question groups.  It would not require
> each list member to maintain the archive of the questions and replies.

All mentioned benefits are available with a normal mailing list and
a web archive for it, as the ones we already have :-).

> It would also allow relevant files to be stored within the archive.

While this is theoretically true, I must say I myself never visit
"group webpages" of for example the yahoo lists which I am reading
by email. It is just very convenient to get the mail by mail without
having to log in somewhere or check some webpage to see whether a
new posting has shown up etc ;-).

> Does sourceforge.net have this facility or would you have to go
> elsewhere to get these features?

Actually we already do use this facility, which is another good
reason to believe that people do not actually gain from forums:
http://www.freedos.org/ Look at the news items and the "read more"
links. Each news item starts a thread in a sourceforge forum:
This thread http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=789150
for example discusses "new fat32 undelete". Jim posted a comment
three weeks ago, but I only noticed this week, by accident, as
the comment did not automatically get to my mailbox, as opposed
to what a reply to an email would have done ;-).

We also have a Wiki, even two of them, a Sourceforge feature
request tracking system, Bugzilla bug mgmt system and a FAQ
which would work better if more people would notice when a
new question has arrived and would help by answering it :-).

In addition, you can meet on our IRC (there even is a Java
client if you have no IRC). There are several NNTP newsgroups
and you can visit the general DOS web forum of Robert :-).
There are also several reference sections like LSM package
list (versions, maintainers, URLs...) and SVN source code
repository with www interface for easy browsing.

As you can see: Information sources and places to share your
FreeDOS experience with others abound, all over the net...

Happy FreeDOS easter everybody!

Eric



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[Freedos-user] please do never send files to a mailing list

2008-03-20 Thread john s wolter
Eric,

I noticed the remark in the Xen posting, "please do never send files to a
mailing list".  I think that this implies the need for a hosted discussion
group arrangement.  That will preserve the history of discussions which I
think has benefits for this group.

Given a history it would be possible given a really good archive search,
quicker answers to well know questions and associated replies.  Threads can
have comments added at any time, either immediately or even years later.  If
something happens to the maintainers such as an injury or worse other could
be found to take their places.  It would allow for a structured organization
of question groups.  It would not require each list member to maintain the
archive of the questions and replies.  It would also allow relevant files to
be stored within the archive.

Does sourceforge.net have this facility or would you have to go elsewhere to
get these features?

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