Re: [Freedos-user] [Spam] Possible problem with Turkish keyboard layouts

2012-11-27 Thread Rugxulo 
Hi,

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:37 PM, thraex  wrote:
> On 27/11/12 19:47, Henrique Peron wrote:
>
> Thanks for explaining, but how do I select these codepages? Also, please
> note that the case I reported happens right after a normal installation
> of FreeDOS, therefore I was wondering whether there's something that
> needs to be fixed or adjusted so that if the user chooses these layouts,
> things will work without additional configuration (or an information
> indicating that some additional configuration is needed will be displayed).

The installer is just a "best guess" type of thing, not perfect by any
stretch. It may be trite to assume users are already familiar with
DOS, but that's somewhat implied.

http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/mode.htm

But here's a partial (better?) solution:

===
set CPIDIR=%DOSDIR%\cpi
display con=(ega,,3)
mode con cp prep=((853) %CPIDIR%\ega.cpx)
mode con cp prep=((,737,869) %CPIDIR%\ega5.cpx)
mode con cp sel=%DEFAULT%
set CPIDIR=

if "%DEFAULT%"=="853" keyb us,,%DOSDIR%\keyboard.sys
if not "%DEFAULT%"=="853" keyb gk,,%DOSDIR%\keybrd2.sys
echo.
echo KEYB: Ctrl-Alt-F1 to disable or Ctrl-Alt-F2 to re-enable!
echo.
===

P.S. More specifically, it would be nice to know which codepage(s) and
keyboard layouts you personally intend to use for your language. (Or
did I miss that part?)   :-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] [Spam] Possible problem with Turkish keyboard layouts

2012-11-27 Thread thraex 
On 27/11/12 19:47, Henrique Peron wrote:
> Em 27/11/2012 13:16, thraex escreveu:
> Merhaba Thraex,

Merhaba Henrique :)

> I was impulsive on replying and didn't notice the links you sent; sorry.
> 
> I have read the error message on the "TR" layout.

Er, which one? When I choose option 19 during the install process, the
keyboard layout is an English QWERTY, when I choose 59, although what
seemed like error messages to me get displayed, the keyboard layout is
correct (Turkish QWERTY) without selecting a codepage.

> You've tried to use the turkish QWERTY layout with codepage 437. It 
> seems you forgot to prepare and select one of the codepages available 
> for that layout, of which two being particularly suitable both for the 
> turkish and kurdish languages: 857 and 853.

Thanks for explaining, but how do I select these codepages? Also, please
note that the case I reported happens right after a normal installation
of FreeDOS, therefore I was wondering whether there's something that
needs to be fixed or adjusted so that if the user chooses these layouts,
things will work without additional configuration (or an information
indicating that some additional configuration is needed will be displayed).

If it's possible for you, IMHO the best mean to examine the "bug" is to
install FreeDOS on your side with say VirtualBox and choose keyboard
option 19, then do the same with option 59 and see if the installation
process is OK for you. If not, the good news would be that things can be
improved :)

Çok teşekkürler.

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Re: [Freedos-user] [Spam] Possible problem with Turkish keyboard layouts

2012-11-27 Thread Henrique Peron 
Em 27/11/2012 13:16, thraex escreveu:
> Hi there,
>
> I recently gave FreeDOS a try on VirtualBox (which was running on Ubuntu
> 12.04). The installation went almost entirely fine, but I think I
> spotted a problem when the user chooses Turkish layouts for his or her
> keyboard.
>
> In fact two Turkish layouts are offered. One is the number 19 and is
> simply mentioned as Turkish, the other is the number 59 and is mentioned
> as Turkish (Qwerty). Here are some links to relevant parts of the
> installation process, firstly for the "number 19" and then for 59. Sorry
> for posting screenshots for plain text screens, but I couldn't find an
> easy way to copy&paste their content.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> You can see the error messages, on the first screenshot of each series
> you have "could not find country info for country ID 1" and on the
> second image you have different errors. If the user chooses 19, the
> result seems to be a good old *English* QWERTY keyboard. If the choice
> is 59, things seem to work fine despite the error messages (the layout
> is OK).
>
> I can't say much more than this but since I use the Turkish QWERTY
> layout, I wanted to bring this to your attention. If I can do something
> more, feel free to say it.
>
> PS: One more thing: if the first layout (19) was supposed to be the
> Turkish F, I think it should be swapped with the QWERTY (59). In Turkey,
> roughly around 90% of keyboards are the Turkish QWERTY variant, and the
> remaining 10% is the Turkish F variant which is supposed to fit the
> language better. Most operating systems consider "Turkish" with no
> additional precision as the Turkish QWERTY, the F keyboard is often an
> option, not the default. Therefore, the first choice should probably be
> the Turkish QWERTY.
>
>
Merhaba Thraex,

I was impulsive on replying and didn't notice the links you sent; sorry.

I have read the error message on the "TR" layout.

You've tried to use the turkish QWERTY layout with codepage 437. It 
seems you forgot to prepare and select one of the codepages available 
for that layout, of which two being particularly suitable both for the 
turkish and kurdish languages: 857 and 853.

Henrique


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Re: [Freedos-user] [Spam] Possible problem with Turkish keyboard layouts

2012-11-27 Thread Henrique Peron 
Em 27/11/2012 13:16, thraex escreveu:
> Hi there,
>
> I recently gave FreeDOS a try on VirtualBox (which was running on Ubuntu
> 12.04). The installation went almost entirely fine, but I think I
> spotted a problem when the user chooses Turkish layouts for his or her
> keyboard.
>
> In fact two Turkish layouts are offered. One is the number 19 and is
> simply mentioned as Turkish, the other is the number 59 and is mentioned
> as Turkish (Qwerty). Here are some links to relevant parts of the
> installation process, firstly for the "number 19" and then for 59. Sorry
> for posting screenshots for plain text screens, but I couldn't find an
> easy way to copy&paste their content.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> You can see the error messages, on the first screenshot of each series
> you have "could not find country info for country ID 1" and on the
> second image you have different errors. If the user chooses 19, the
> result seems to be a good old *English* QWERTY keyboard. If the choice
> is 59, things seem to work fine despite the error messages (the layout
> is OK).
>
> I can't say much more than this but since I use the Turkish QWERTY
> layout, I wanted to bring this to your attention. If I can do something
> more, feel free to say it.
>
> PS: One more thing: if the first layout (19) was supposed to be the
> Turkish F, I think it should be swapped with the QWERTY (59). In Turkey,
> roughly around 90% of keyboards are the Turkish QWERTY variant, and the
> remaining 10% is the Turkish F variant which is supposed to fit the
> language better. Most operating systems consider "Turkish" with no
> additional precision as the Turkish QWERTY, the F keyboard is often an
> option, not the default. Therefore, the first choice should probably be
> the Turkish QWERTY.
>
>
Merhaba Thraex,

please try this, on the command prompt: "KEYB TR".
That should load the turkish QWERTY layout; if you're familiar with 
editting AUTOEXEC.BAT, I suggest you include "KEYB TR" (without quotes) 
there.

You mentioned error messages; could you please tell me what are they?

Thanks,
Henrique

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