Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS
As Eric mentioned, FLTK is cross-platform, it can be used with Linux, Windows, Apple MAC plus my port for DOS. So if you develop applications with FLTK for DOS these can easily be ported to Linux, Windows and MAC. This will provide a larger user base for an application than if it would run on DOS only. Georg http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/ > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 22:28:27 +0200 > From: Eric Auer > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Message-ID: <4f7f51eb.8060...@jpberlin.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > Hi! > >> Actually, what I had in mind when I asked about GUIs was just GUIs >> themselves, not application using them. But it was nice to see... > >> The starting point of my exploration on DOS-based GUIs was: >> http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.GallDosGui > >> My interest, at this point, is mostly in the windowing system, not in >> the applications that often come bundled with those packages. I am >> looking for a nice GUI simply as a development tool, not as a... > > Well in that sense, oZone and SEAL share a problem for non-programmers: > They make nice looking GUIs but there is not much software for them. On > the other hand, you could develop your software using a common portable > GUI TOOLKIT, so the software runs not only in DOS but also in other GUI > environments for which already a lot of other software exists to enjoy. > > Maybe you want to have a look at Georg's FLTK tutorial here: > > http://nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos.googlecode.com/files/FLTK-Tutorial.pdf > > Here are some screenshots: > > http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/wiki/Screenshots > > Georg ported FLTK to DOS after porting a small X library to DOS, > which in turn allowed him to port useful software such as the web > browser Dillo to DOS, but also to write new software with FLTK- > based GUIs from scratch :-) > > Eric > > > > > -- > -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 3:22 PM, David C. Kerber wrote: > It sounds like you're referring more to an IDE than a GUI. Actually, no. What I meant was a GUI proper. The reason why I mentioned OpenGEM (which, of course, is much more than a GUI), is that it is listed under the GUI section of the Software List, on the FreeDOS website. What I was looking for was a pure and simple GUI, without applications, to be used in creating applications. Not much luck so far, as most GUI project seem to be half-backed or discontinued. -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS
> -Original Message- > From: Alex [mailto:alxm...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 3:48 PM > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Marco Achury > wrote: > > > > El 06/04/2012 01:25 p.m., Eric Auer escribió: > > > > Hi! > > > > Can someone please tell me what are the best GUIs available > for FreeDOS? > > > > Naturally, this is a double question, since GUIs fall into > two categories: > > > > 1) Text-mode GUIs > > 2) Graphical GUIs > > > > So, which GUI(s) would you recommend for each category? > > > > Maybe unrelated but: File Maven is a freeware text-mode "GUI" > > file manager which has a sort of laplink clone built in. And the > > Arachne web browser has some aspects of a graphical GUI. > > > > The most comprehensive GUIs are probably Windows (3.0, 3.1 > or Windows > > for Workgroups 3.11, all non-free, 3.x standard mode works > okay, WfW > > and 386enh mode can be hard, too much RAM as > > well) and GEM. There is a free GEM distro by Shane, see also: > > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/opengem/files/ > > http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=8126 > > > > Unfortunately, the more complete ShaneLand GEM website in > UK is down. > > Shane can now be reached at Opendawn, Japan, I hope. > > > > Eric :-) > > > > > > > -- > > For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. > > Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. > > Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 > > ___ > > Freedos-user mailing list > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > > > > On my taste Norton Commander (or any of their clones) is > the best text > > mode GUI. > > I think File Maven uses the same double panel. > > > > The are a lot of NC clones, some are updated for long file name > > support > > > > > > -- > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > Marco A. Achury > > > Actually, what I had in mind when I asked about GUIs was just > GUIs themselves, not application using them. But it was nice > to see Norton Commander being brought up in the discussion! > This brings up sweet memories. > > The starting point of my exploration on DOS-based GUIs was: > http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php > ?n=Main.GallDosGui > > With Google you can find several other webpages about GUIs for DOS. > > My interest, at this point, is mostly in the windowing > system, not in the applications that often come bundled with > those packages. I am looking for a nice GUI simply as a > development tool, not as a ready-made working environment. > > It seems that there is a number of GUIs available for > FreeDOS, in addition to OpenGEM. > But I was not able to find much comparative info about those GUIs. > Any idea why OpenGEM is the only GUI environment listed on > the FreeDOS website under the category GUIs? > To be fair, I must say that if you look hard withing the > website you do find the reference to other GUIs, such as the > Icon GUI. So why OpenGEM is the only one in the spotlight? > > Please share your experiences with regard to DOS-based GUIs > as development tools. It sounds like you're referring more to an IDE than a GUI. -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS
2012/4/6, Eric Auer : > The most comprehensive GUIs are probably Windows (3.0, 3.1 or > Windows for Workgroups 3.11, all non-free, 3.x standard mode > works okay, WfW and 386enh mode can be hard, too much RAM as > well) and GEM. There is a free GEM distro by Shane, see also: There is also Geoworks Ensemble (still didn't try it yet): http://www.breadbox.com/ The "light" version available to download at no cost. -- regards, Zbigniew -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS
Hi, On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Alex wrote: > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > >> And what exactly do you mean by "GUI as development tool". That's a >> term that doesn't make any sense to me at least... > > What I meant was simply a tool for developing GUI-based applications. There are several, but most of them are old. And some of them are tightly bound to specific languages (e.g. C++). Also, I've not heavily used them, so I can't say for sure which is easiest or best. Off the top of my head, best GUI would be Allegro (though no longer supported for DOS), esp. since you can use various languages with it (FBC, FPC, DJGPP). Best TUI would maybe be TxWin (OpenWatcom). There are others, of course, but you'll just have to try and see. I know FPC has FreeVision (used by its IDE) and SETEDIT uses the (heavily adapted p.d.) C++ version of TVision, if you're inclined that way. And yes, Eric's right, Georg's port of FLTK looks awesome, if you can stomach C++. ;-) -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS
El 06/04/2012 03:57 p.m., Alex escribió: > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > >> And what exactly do you mean by "GUI as development tool". That's a >> term that doesn't make any sense to me at least... > What I meant was simply a tool for developing GUI-based applications. > > -- > For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. > Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. > Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > For Euphoria language there is a very nice DOS32 lib to produce graphics GUI apps. Also there is a toolkit EE:CS (or something like that) that includes as example a clone of the qbasic editor with similar dialog boxes. -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury Tel: +58-(212)-6158777 Cel: +58-(414)-3142282 Skype: marcoachury http://www.achury.com.ve -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS
At 01:27 PM 4/6/2012, Alex wrote: >On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > > > And what exactly do you mean by "GUI as development tool". That's a > > term that doesn't make any sense to me at least... > >What I meant was simply a tool for developing GUI-based applications. Well, for that, you need to have a working GUI in the first place. And of course some development tools that support that GUI... Ralf -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS
Hi! > Actually, what I had in mind when I asked about GUIs was just GUIs > themselves, not application using them. But it was nice to see... > The starting point of my exploration on DOS-based GUIs was: > http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.GallDosGui > My interest, at this point, is mostly in the windowing system, not in > the applications that often come bundled with those packages. I am > looking for a nice GUI simply as a development tool, not as a... Well in that sense, oZone and SEAL share a problem for non-programmers: They make nice looking GUIs but there is not much software for them. On the other hand, you could develop your software using a common portable GUI TOOLKIT, so the software runs not only in DOS but also in other GUI environments for which already a lot of other software exists to enjoy. Maybe you want to have a look at Georg's FLTK tutorial here: http://nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos.googlecode.com/files/FLTK-Tutorial.pdf Here are some screenshots: http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/wiki/Screenshots Georg ported FLTK to DOS after porting a small X library to DOS, which in turn allowed him to port useful software such as the web browser Dillo to DOS, but also to write new software with FLTK- based GUIs from scratch :-) Eric -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Ralf A. Quint wrote: > And what exactly do you mean by "GUI as development tool". That's a > term that doesn't make any sense to me at least... What I meant was simply a tool for developing GUI-based applications. -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS
At 12:48 PM 4/6/2012, Alex wrote: >Any idea why OpenGEM is the only GUI environment listed on the >FreeDOS website under the category GUIs? To be fair, I must say that >if you look hard withing the website you do find the reference to >other GUIs, such as the Icon GUI. So why OpenGEM is the only one in >the spotlight? Please share your experiences with regard to >DOS-based GUIs as development tools. Thanks again, Alex - Simply because it is the only half-ways complete one that also works... There have been tons of attempts to create something new, like the myriad of "SEAL" versions that were once around but none of them got anywhere. And what exactly do you mean by "GUI as development tool". That's a term that doesn't make any sense to me at least... Ralf -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Marco Achury wrote: > > El 06/04/2012 01:25 p.m., Eric Auer escribió: > > Hi! > > Can someone please tell me what are the best GUIs available for FreeDOS? > > Naturally, this is a double question, since GUIs fall into two categories: > > 1) Text-mode GUIs > 2) Graphical GUIs > > So, which GUI(s) would you recommend for each category? > > Maybe unrelated but: File Maven is a freeware text-mode "GUI" > file manager which has a sort of laplink clone built in. And > the Arachne web browser has some aspects of a graphical GUI. > > The most comprehensive GUIs are probably Windows (3.0, 3.1 or > Windows for Workgroups 3.11, all non-free, 3.x standard mode > works okay, WfW and 386enh mode can be hard, too much RAM as > well) and GEM. There is a free GEM distro by Shane, see also: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/opengem/files/ > http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=8126 > > Unfortunately, the more complete ShaneLand GEM website in UK > is down. Shane can now be reached at Opendawn, Japan, I hope. > > Eric :-) > > > -- > For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. > Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. > Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > On my taste Norton Commander (or any of their clones) is the best text mode > GUI. > I think File Maven uses the same double panel. > > The are a lot of NC clones, some are updated for long file name support > > > -- > -- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > Marco A. Achury Actually, what I had in mind when I asked about GUIs was just GUIs themselves, not application using them. But it was nice to see Norton Commander being brought up in the discussion! This brings up sweet memories. The starting point of my exploration on DOS-based GUIs was: http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.GallDosGui With Google you can find several other webpages about GUIs for DOS. My interest, at this point, is mostly in the windowing system, not in the applications that often come bundled with those packages. I am looking for a nice GUI simply as a development tool, not as a ready-made working environment. It seems that there is a number of GUIs available for FreeDOS, in addition to OpenGEM. But I was not able to find much comparative info about those GUIs. Any idea why OpenGEM is the only GUI environment listed on the FreeDOS website under the category GUIs? To be fair, I must say that if you look hard withing the website you do find the reference to other GUIs, such as the Icon GUI. So why OpenGEM is the only one in the spotlight? Please share your experiences with regard to DOS-based GUIs as development tools. Thanks again, Alex -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS
El 06/04/2012 01:25 p.m., Eric Auer escribió: > Hi! > >> Can someone please tell me what are the best GUIs available for FreeDOS? >> >> Naturally, this is a double question, since GUIs fall into two categories: >> >> 1) Text-mode GUIs >> 2) Graphical GUIs >> >> So, which GUI(s) would you recommend for each category? > Maybe unrelated but: File Maven is a freeware text-mode "GUI" > file manager which has a sort of laplink clone built in. And > the Arachne web browser has some aspects of a graphical GUI. > > The most comprehensive GUIs are probably Windows (3.0, 3.1 or > Windows for Workgroups 3.11, all non-free, 3.x standard mode > works okay, WfW and 386enh mode can be hard, too much RAM as > well) and GEM. There is a free GEM distro by Shane, see also: > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/opengem/files/ > http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=8126 > > Unfortunately, the more complete ShaneLand GEM website in UK > is down. Shane can now be reached at Opendawn, Japan, I hope. > > Eric :-) > > > -- > For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. > Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. > Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > On my taste Norton Commander (or any of their clones) is the best text mode GUI. I think File Maven uses the same double panel. The are a lot of NC clones, some are updated for long file name support -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury Tel: +58-(212)-6158777 Cel: +58-(414)-3142282 Skype: marcoachury http://www.achury.com.ve -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Best GUIs for DOS
Hi! > Can someone please tell me what are the best GUIs available for FreeDOS? > > Naturally, this is a double question, since GUIs fall into two categories: > > 1) Text-mode GUIs > 2) Graphical GUIs > > So, which GUI(s) would you recommend for each category? Maybe unrelated but: File Maven is a freeware text-mode "GUI" file manager which has a sort of laplink clone built in. And the Arachne web browser has some aspects of a graphical GUI. The most comprehensive GUIs are probably Windows (3.0, 3.1 or Windows for Workgroups 3.11, all non-free, 3.x standard mode works okay, WfW and 386enh mode can be hard, too much RAM as well) and GEM. There is a free GEM distro by Shane, see also: http://sourceforge.net/projects/opengem/files/ http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=8126 Unfortunately, the more complete ShaneLand GEM website in UK is down. Shane can now be reached at Opendawn, Japan, I hope. Eric :-) -- For Developers, A Lot Can Happen In A Second. Boundary is the first to Know...and Tell You. Monitor Your Applications in Ultra-Fine Resolution. Try it FREE! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-d2dvs2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
