Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable FreeDOS CD or USB Drive for Flashing Motherboard BIOS

2012-01-17 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 17-1-2012 7:15, Rugxulo schreef:

 You can convert an existing bootable DOS floppy image into a .iso for
 burning to CD with the following (DOS) freeware tool:

 http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads/mkbiso.zip

Does this work for any size floppy image or only 1.44MB?

In principle BIOS flashing can be done from a freely distributable 
floppy disk/image, containing KERNEL.SYS, COMMAND.COM and FLASHROM.EXE 
(though the flash program by BIOS maker or motherboard manufacturer 
might be more reliable).

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Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable FreeDOS CD or USB Drive for Flashing Motherboard BIOS

2012-01-17 Thread Bob Cochran
Thanks everyone for all the responses. I guess there is not a how-to for 
creating a bootable FreeDOS CD? That is, it takes fiddling and 
experimentation and a successful method has not been posted to the 
FreeDOS wiki? The point of greatest interest is what files are needed on 
the CD, exactly (including all their dependencies...so if command.com 
has dependencies, I'd need to include those.) Also how exactly to make 
the CD bootable in a FreeDOS acceptable way.

I really would like to be able to create such a CD and get the BIOS up 
to date.

I deeply appreciate advice on how to really do it. I will fiddle with 
Alain's suggestion, I did something close to that a few months ago in a 
very similar effort but evidently missed some important step.

Bob



On 1/17/12 1:49 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote:
 Op 17-1-2012 7:15, Rugxulo schreef:

 You can convert an existing bootable DOS floppy image into a .iso for
 burning to CD with the following (DOS) freeware tool:

 http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads/mkbiso.zip
 Does this work for any size floppy image or only 1.44MB?

 In principle BIOS flashing can be done from a freely distributable
 floppy disk/image, containing KERNEL.SYS, COMMAND.COM and FLASHROM.EXE
 (though the flash program by BIOS maker or motherboard manufacturer
 might be more reliable).

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Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable FreeDOS CD or USB Drive for Flashing Motherboard BIOS

2012-01-17 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 18-1-2012 0:04, Bob Cochran schreef:
 Thanks everyone for all the responses. I guess there is not a how-to for
 creating a bootable FreeDOS CD? That is, it takes fiddling and
 experimentation and a successful method has not been posted to the
 FreeDOS wiki? The point of greatest interest is what files are needed on
 the CD, exactly (including all their dependencies...so if command.com
 has dependencies, I'd need to include those.) Also how exactly to make
 the CD bootable in a FreeDOS acceptable way.

Everything depends on what you want. Direct floppy emulation is the 
easiest, many Windows CD-writing programs support that (Imgburn for 
example).

1) Download a bootable floppy image (MSDOS or FreeDOS)
2) Open in WinImage, change size to 2.88MB or leave at 1.44MB
3) Delete all contents besides kernel.sys and command.com.
4) Insert flasher program and the BIOS file (if it even fits anymore on 
floppy nowadays).
5) Add an autoexec.bat that executes the flash program. Only if you're 
absolutely sure though and want to automate. This can ruin systems if 
things go wrong!
6) Save the image
7) Open Imgburn, Nero or whatever, create a bootable CD and supply the 
floppy image file you saved in step 6.

My own requirements for FreeDOS CD go a lot further with regard to 
bootloader, floppy contents, detecting CD contents, executing it etc. 
Slightly more complex, I'm afraid.

 I really would like to be able to create such a CD and get the BIOS up
 to date.

See if any of the various responses are enough to help you out. A 
bootdisk can generally be obtained from www.bootdisk.img (but those 
images are executables with WinImage compression, so you need to open 
WinImage, then select to open an image and look for your saved floppy 
image file)

 I deeply appreciate advice on how to really do it. I will fiddle with
 Alain's suggestion, I did something close to that a few months ago in a
 very similar effort but evidently missed some important step.

Goodluck doing so. I'm working on creating a remaster ability in FreeDOS 
which has limited use because there's most CD-recording software in DOS 
is Linux-based and thus depends on something called ASPI, for which only 
paid legal solutions exist.

 Bob

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Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable FreeDOS CD or USB Drive for Flashing Motherboard BIOS

2012-01-17 Thread Alain Mouette
Have you seen my mesage from *today* 5:27pm (gmt-2)

Alain

Em 17-01-2012 21:04, Bob Cochran escreveu:
 Thanks everyone for all the responses. I guess there is not a how-to for
 creating a bootable FreeDOS CD? That is, it takes fiddling and
 experimentation and a successful method has not been posted to the
 FreeDOS wiki? The point of greatest interest is what files are needed on
 the CD, exactly (including all their dependencies...so if command.com
 has dependencies, I'd need to include those.) Also how exactly to make
 the CD bootable in a FreeDOS acceptable way.

 I really would like to be able to create such a CD and get the BIOS up
 to date.

 I deeply appreciate advice on how to really do it. I will fiddle with
 Alain's suggestion, I did something close to that a few months ago in a
 very similar effort but evidently missed some important step.

 Bob



 On 1/17/12 1:49 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote:
 Op 17-1-2012 7:15, Rugxulo schreef:

 You can convert an existing bootable DOS floppy image into a .iso for
 burning to CD with the following (DOS) freeware tool:

 http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads/mkbiso.zip
 Does this work for any size floppy image or only 1.44MB?

 In principle BIOS flashing can be done from a freely distributable
 floppy disk/image, containing KERNEL.SYS, COMMAND.COM and FLASHROM.EXE
 (though the flash program by BIOS maker or motherboard manufacturer
 might be more reliable).

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Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable FreeDOS CD or USB Drive for Flashing Motherboard BIOS

2012-01-17 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl wrote:
 Op 17-1-2012 7:15, Rugxulo schreef:

 You can convert an existing bootable DOS floppy image into a .iso for
 burning to CD with the following (DOS) freeware tool:

 http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads/mkbiso.zip

 Does this work for any size floppy image or only 1.44MB?

I don't know, but I'm assuming 1.44 MB is what most people use these
days, so it's probably moot (esp. since that's all I've tried with the
tool).

There's also MBOOTCD, but I don't think I ever tried it.

http://www.fysnet.net/mtools.htm

 In principle BIOS flashing can be done from a freely distributable
 floppy disk/image, containing KERNEL.SYS, COMMAND.COM and FLASHROM.EXE
 (though the flash program by BIOS maker or motherboard manufacturer
 might be more reliable).

He didn't specify any more details, so I don't know what he wants to
put on there or what other requirements he has. Looks like he might
try Alain's solution instead. (I would almost suggest some of my own
floppy images, but they're too old and quirky.)

Either way, it shouldn't be too hard for him to figure it out. He can
always come ask again for further help if needed.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable FreeDOS CD or USB Drive for Flashing Motherboard BIOS

2012-01-17 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 18-1-2012 1:49, Rugxulo schreef:

 http://www.fysnet.net/mtools.htm

That's a *very* interesting link, thanks!.
Bedtime now though.

I wish DISKCOPY was able to handle different floppy image sizes
(360KB.IMG to 1.44MB floppy for example, or backup a (SHSURDRV?) 
harddisk image uncompressed). Kinda like WinImage.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable FreeDOS CD or USB Drive for Flashing Motherboard BIOS

2012-01-17 Thread Alain Mouette
Well, what I want is to make a bootable SD-card with that same image... 
It is a standard isolinux image.

Has anyone made that?

Thanks,
Alain

Em 17-01-2012 22:49, Rugxulo escreveu:
 Hi,

 On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Bernd Blaauwbbla...@home.nl  wrote:
 Op 17-1-2012 7:15, Rugxulo schreef:

 You can convert an existing bootable DOS floppy image into a .iso for
 burning to CD with the following (DOS) freeware tool:

 http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads/mkbiso.zip

 Does this work for any size floppy image or only 1.44MB?

 I don't know, but I'm assuming 1.44 MB is what most people use these
 days, so it's probably moot (esp. since that's all I've tried with the
 tool).

 There's also MBOOTCD, but I don't think I ever tried it.

 http://www.fysnet.net/mtools.htm

 In principle BIOS flashing can be done from a freely distributable
 floppy disk/image, containing KERNEL.SYS, COMMAND.COM and FLASHROM.EXE
 (though the flash program by BIOS maker or motherboard manufacturer
 might be more reliable).

 He didn't specify any more details, so I don't know what he wants to
 put on there or what other requirements he has. Looks like he might
 try Alain's solution instead. (I would almost suggest some of my own
 floppy images, but they're too old and quirky.)

 Either way, it shouldn't be too hard for him to figure it out. He can
 always come ask again for further help if needed.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable FreeDOS CD or USB Drive for Flashing Motherboard BIOS

2012-01-17 Thread Bob Cochran
Hello Bernd,

Thank you so much for all your help with this. I need to practice the 
steps you list here, and I will start experimenting over the next few 
weeks. I really appreciate your taking the time to help me. I will try 
your method very soon on another device that could be flashed -- it is 
not a mainboard but a PCI Express adapter card.

I vaguely remember searching for an ASPI driver in some context from a 
long time ago, I was helping my wife with something to do with her quite 
old computer.

Bob


On 1/17/12 6:22 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote:
 Op 18-1-2012 0:04, Bob Cochran schreef:
 Thanks everyone for all the responses. I guess there is not a how-to for
 creating a bootable FreeDOS CD? That is, it takes fiddling and
 experimentation and a successful method has not been posted to the
 FreeDOS wiki? The point of greatest interest is what files are needed on
 the CD, exactly (including all their dependencies...so if command.com
 has dependencies, I'd need to include those.) Also how exactly to make
 the CD bootable in a FreeDOS acceptable way.
 Everything depends on what you want. Direct floppy emulation is the
 easiest, many Windows CD-writing programs support that (Imgburn for
 example).

 1) Download a bootable floppy image (MSDOS or FreeDOS)
 2) Open in WinImage, change size to 2.88MB or leave at 1.44MB
 3) Delete all contents besides kernel.sys and command.com.
 4) Insert flasher program and the BIOS file (if it even fits anymore on
 floppy nowadays).
 5) Add an autoexec.bat that executes the flash program. Only if you're
 absolutely sure though and want to automate. This can ruin systems if
 things go wrong!
 6) Save the image
 7) Open Imgburn, Nero or whatever, create a bootable CD and supply the
 floppy image file you saved in step 6.

 My own requirements for FreeDOS CD go a lot further with regard to
 bootloader, floppy contents, detecting CD contents, executing it etc.
 Slightly more complex, I'm afraid.

 I really would like to be able to create such a CD and get the BIOS up
 to date.
 See if any of the various responses are enough to help you out. A
 bootdisk can generally be obtained from www.bootdisk.img (but those
 images are executables with WinImage compression, so you need to open
 WinImage, then select to open an image and look for your saved floppy
 image file)

 I deeply appreciate advice on how to really do it. I will fiddle with
 Alain's suggestion, I did something close to that a few months ago in a
 very similar effort but evidently missed some important step.
 Goodluck doing so. I'm working on creating a remaster ability in FreeDOS
 which has limited use because there's most CD-recording software in DOS
 is Linux-based and thus depends on something called ASPI, for which only
 paid legal solutions exist.

 Bob
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Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable FreeDOS CD or USB Drive for Flashing Motherboard BIOS

2012-01-16 Thread jhall
Hi. Others have created a BIOS-flashing FreeDOS floppy, so I know it can be 
done. Might be easiest to create a bootable USB flash fob drive, and boot from 
that with your BIOS flashing software. Be aware that USB drives often get 
recognized on DOS as the c: drive, through legacy mapping.

jh



On Jan 16, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Bob Cochran bcochra...@verizon.net wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I have an MSI brand motherboard which I need to flash to the latest 
 BIOS. However, all my systems run Linux or *nix; I do not have a 
 Microsoft Windows-based system for creating a bootable floppy. MSI seems 
 to require a Windows or DOS-based operating system to do the BIOS 
 flashing. Is there an easy way to do this with FreeDOS? I'd prefer to 
 create a bootable CD that has the BIOS firmware file and *.exe flashing 
 program right on it.
 
 I searched your Wiki and the freedos.org site for advice or an FAQ on 
 this question.
 
 Help with this is deeply appreciated.
 
 Thanks
 
 Bob Cochran
 
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable FreeDOS CD or USB Drive for Flashing Motherboard BIOS

2012-01-16 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Bob Cochran bcochra...@verizon.net wrote:

 I have an MSI brand motherboard which I need to flash to the latest
 BIOS. However, all my systems run Linux or *nix; I do not have a
 Microsoft Windows-based system for creating a bootable floppy. MSI seems
 to require a Windows or DOS-based operating system to do the BIOS
 flashing. Is there an easy way to do this with FreeDOS? I'd prefer to
 create a bootable CD that has the BIOS firmware file and *.exe flashing
 program right on it.

You can convert an existing bootable DOS floppy image into a .iso for
burning to CD with the following (DOS) freeware tool:

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/downloads/mkbiso.zip

And you can use the FreeDOS distribution and some kind of emulator
(QEMU, VirtualBox, etc.) to format and sys a suitable (presumably 1.44
MB) floppy image.

 I searched your Wiki and the freedos.org site for advice or an FAQ on
 this question.

 Help with this is deeply appreciated.

If the above isn't obvious enough, I can be more detailed.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Bootable FreeDOS CD or USB Drive for Flashing Motherboard BIOS

2012-01-16 Thread TJ Edmister
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:51:36 -0500, Bob Cochran bcochra...@verizon.net  
wrote:

 Hi,

 I have an MSI brand motherboard which I need to flash to the latest
 BIOS. However, all my systems run Linux or *nix; I do not have a
 Microsoft Windows-based system for creating a bootable floppy. MSI seems
 to require a Windows or DOS-based operating system to do the BIOS
 flashing. Is there an easy way to do this with FreeDOS? I'd prefer to
 create a bootable CD that has the BIOS firmware file and *.exe flashing
 program right on it.

 I searched your Wiki and the freedos.org site for advice or an FAQ on
 this question.

 Help with this is deeply appreciated.

 Thanks

 Bob Cochran


Check whether your MSI motherboard BIOS supports booting from LAN, a.k.a.  
PXE. If so, then you can insert the BIOS update into a bootable disk image  
(using winimage or similar) and make it available via TFTP from another PC  
on the LAN. Then when you power on the MSI system it can grab the disk  
image over the network and boot it as if it were a physical floppy. More  
details here:

http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Administration/Network-Booting-via-PXE-the-Basics/2/

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