Re: [Freedos-user] FAT Patents of Microsoft
(Un)fortunately, FAT is so inherent to DOS in a way that no block devices can host other fs (all the rest are "network file systems"), that I doubt that these ideas, yet if marvelous, are hardly possible. Aitor Christian Voß escribió: Hi, I can't understand the crying about the FAT patent. In the whole "world" of file systems are enough candidates to replace the Grandma of file systems. And most of them are free. I.e. HFS and HFS+ (the file systems of MacOS) are GPL and is supported by the linux distros for free. Ok, on Windows there are only commercial solutions but it is a option. And the ReiserFS is also free. And perhaps someone create solutions for DOSes because FAT isn't free anymore. This can be the beginning of a better FreeDOS :-) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=103432&bid=230486&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FAT Patents of Microsoft
On Thu, 2006-01-12 at 20:22 -0500, ultramancool wrote: > And of course the most important part: to scare the open source > community into thinking they can't use FAT anymore. ;-) Doesnt FAt come from cpm and therefore prior art? Remember American judges are often dumber than a box of rocks. CWSIV --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=103432&bid=230486&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FAT Patents of Microsoft
--- Christian Voß <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I can't understand the crying about the FAT patent. > In the whole "world" of > file systems are enough candidates to replace the > Grandma of file systems. > And most of them are free. I.e. HFS and HFS+ (the > file systems of MacOS) are > GPL and is supported by the linux distros for free. > Ok, on Windows there are > only commercial solutions but it is a option. And > the ReiserFS is also free. > And perhaps someone create solutions for DOSes > because FAT isn't free > anymore. This can be the beginning of a better > FreeDOS :-) > Umm... the whole point of FreeDOS is to be MS-DOS compatible. Implementing anything other than FAT as the primary file system is going against the whole intent of the project. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FAT Patents of Microsoft
Andre Tertling wrote: If I read the patents in question right, they are not exactly "FAT" patents but rather "LFN for FAT" patents. The primary reason for the patents is to cut a nice slice from the memory stick/card market for M$. FAT has one large benefit: Because it is so simple, it is easy to implement on low-end hardware. One doesn't need much processor power or (even more crucial) ram to handle FAT. Ext2/3/reiserfs offer much more than FAT but are also much more demanding in terms of internal data structure management. Best regards, Andre BIAF wrote: I Agree, things like this will only make the FreeDOS crew rebell with new FS, MS are doing them selfs no favours at all with this move. But its been on the brew for along time, maybe they will not do much about it now. I can't understand the crying about the FAT patent. In the whole "world" of file systems are enough candidates to replace the Grandma of file systems. And most of them are free. I.e. HFS and HFS+ (the file systems of MacOS) are GPL and is supported by the linux distros for free. Ok, on Windows there are only commercial solutions but it is a option. And the ReiserFS is also free. And perhaps someone create solutions for DOSes because FAT isn't free anymore. This can be the beginning of a better FreeDOS :-) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user And of course the most important part: to scare the open source community into thinking they can't use FAT anymore. ;-) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FAT Patents of Microsoft
If I read the patents in question right, they are not exactly "FAT" patents but rather "LFN for FAT" patents. The primary reason for the patents is to cut a nice slice from the memory stick/card market for M$. FAT has one large benefit: Because it is so simple, it is easy to implement on low-end hardware. One doesn't need much processor power or (even more crucial) ram to handle FAT. Ext2/3/reiserfs offer much more than FAT but are also much more demanding in terms of internal data structure management. Best regards, Andre BIAF wrote: I Agree, things like this will only make the FreeDOS crew rebell with new FS, MS are doing them selfs no favours at all with this move. But its been on the brew for along time, maybe they will not do much about it now. I can't understand the crying about the FAT patent. In the whole "world" of file systems are enough candidates to replace the Grandma of file systems. And most of them are free. I.e. HFS and HFS+ (the file systems of MacOS) are GPL and is supported by the linux distros for free. Ok, on Windows there are only commercial solutions but it is a option. And the ReiserFS is also free. And perhaps someone create solutions for DOSes because FAT isn't free anymore. This can be the beginning of a better FreeDOS :-) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FAT Patents of Microsoft
I Agree, things like this will only make the FreeDOS crew rebell with new FS, MS are doing them selfs no favours at all with this move. But its been on the brew for along time, maybe they will not do much about it now. >Hi, >I can't understand the crying about the FAT patent. In the whole "world" of >file systems are enough candidates to replace the Grandma of file systems. >And most of them are free. I.e. HFS and HFS+ (the file systems of MacOS) are >GPL and is supported by the linux distros for free. Ok, on Windows there are >only commercial solutions but it is a option. And the ReiserFS is also free. >And perhaps someone create solutions for DOSes because FAT isn't free >anymore. This can be the beginning of a better FreeDOS :-) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
