Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Boot Disc
> I'll link to the 1.0 boot floppy image, under the "FreeDOS 1.0" section. > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/fdboot.img Kernel on that image uses 386+ instructions... and it seems as if it does that without (properly) checking for the presence of a 386. That it's a 386+ kernel is just an oversight (or should be documented for the image), but if 386+ kernels really do not abort with an appropriate message on non-386 CPUs, that's a bug. Does a kernel developer know whether such checks are... just kidding, I examined the sources myself. In kernel.asm such a check does not exist or (in recent builds and SVN revisions) it exists but isn't used to orderly abort loading if the CPU isn't supported. It then jumps to _FreeDOSmain, which is the C function FreeDOSmain in main.c. In the kernel on that disk image, the very first instruction happens to be "push fs", code 0Fh 0Ah, which on pre-386 CPUs is an error (or at least not "push fs"). The file kernel.asm (SVN r1705) is this one: http://freedos.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/freedos/kernel/trunk/kernel/kernel.asm?revision=1705&view=markup Note lines 194 to 196, where precisely in this latest r1705, Kenneth added the comment "TODO display error if built for 386 running on 8086 etc". I can prepare a patch to implement this (I'd think entirely in kernel.asm) if the kernel developers are interested. Regards, Chris -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Boot Disc
Hi. This is a good idea. I'll link to the 1.0 boot floppy image, under the "FreeDOS 1.0" section. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/fdboot.img On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Mateusz Viste wrote: > On 09/18/2012 09:11 PM, Rugxulo wrote: >> 4). There ARE floppy images, as mentioned, just slightly moldy. Most >> of us make do with old stuff and manually install. :o) >> >> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/balder/balder10.img >> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/odin/odin060/fdodin06.8088.zip >> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/floppy/img/base/install.img >> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/fdboot.img >> https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/BARE_DOS.ZIP?attredirects=0 > > Maybe it would be a good idea to take one of these, and put a link right > on the FreeDOS website, in the download section at > http://www.freedos.org/download/ with a little note 'if you need to > bring alive an old and rusty pc with only a floppy drive onboard, take > this 1.44M bootable image' ? > > Even if it's only for 0.0001% of the user base, it's still nice.. plus, > the fact that there would a floppy image available for download is also > a message 'FreeDOS cares about old systems'. > > just my $0.03. :) > > Mateusz > -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Boot Disc
On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 21:19 +0200, Mateusz Viste wrote: > Maybe it would be a good idea to take one of these, and put a link right > on the FreeDOS website, in the download section at > http://www.freedos.org/download/ with a little note 'if you need to > bring alive an old and rusty pc with only a floppy drive onboard, take > this 1.44M bootable image' ? > > Even if it's only for 0.0001% of the user base, it's still nice.. plus, > the fact that there would a floppy image available for download is also > a message 'FreeDOS cares about old systems'. > > just my $0.03. :) > > Mateusz Exactly my point. Thank you. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Boot Disc
Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Ricardus Vincente wrote: > On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 14:11 -0500, Rugxulo wrote: > > Then link to the sites that have reliable boot images this way people > don't have to spend too much time looking. Here's another one that sounds promising: http://schierlm.users.sourceforge.net/bootdisk/ And still another older one that sounds interesting: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/cdrom/ ... In short, there is no shortage, just no "obvious" (exclusive) solution for 100% of all situations. There is maybe too much hardware and software to cover it all, hence why people don't use floppies much anymore (not enough room!). -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Boot Disc
On Tue, 2012-09-18 at 14:11 -0500, Rugxulo wrote: Then link to the sites that have reliable boot images this way people don't have to spend too much time looking. Rich... > Hi, > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Ricardus Vincente > wrote: > > > > Would someone please remind me about why there isn't a boot floppy > > image in the FreeDOS web site that actually has FreeDOS on it? Seems > > like it would be a really easy thing to do, and for that small > > percentage of people who want to bring life to an old machine that can't > > boot from CD, it would be super helpful. > > 1). Most people don't use floppies anymore. Either their machines lack > the drive or they lack floppy disks or their favorite OS doesn't > support USB floppy drives or they prefer booting CD-R (EDIT: why > didn't you try Smart Boot Manager???) or USB drives or they can't be > bothered or > > 2). "Really easy" ... sure, but keeping it up-to-date is a bit more > tedious, esp. for little gain. It's really easy to whip up something > crappy, a bit harder to do it right where it covers everything > (various floppy sizes, cpus, RAM requirements, peripherals, docs, > sources, etc). > > 3). "Small percentage" ... literally almost nobody has complained so > far! Keep in mind that volunteers are extremely low, which is why it > took so long for FD 1.1 to come out (thanks, Bernd!). Most of us > prefer contributing to other things. > > 4). There ARE floppy images, as mentioned, just slightly moldy. Most > of us make do with old stuff and manually install. :o) > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/balder/balder10.img > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/odin/odin060/fdodin06.8088.zip > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/floppy/img/base/install.img > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/fdboot.img > > https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/BARE_DOS.ZIP?attredirects=0 > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Boot Disc
On 09/18/2012 09:11 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > 4). There ARE floppy images, as mentioned, just slightly moldy. Most > of us make do with old stuff and manually install. :o) > > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/balder/balder10.img > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/odin/odin060/fdodin06.8088.zip > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/floppy/img/base/install.img > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/fdboot.img > https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/BARE_DOS.ZIP?attredirects=0 Maybe it would be a good idea to take one of these, and put a link right on the FreeDOS website, in the download section at http://www.freedos.org/download/ with a little note 'if you need to bring alive an old and rusty pc with only a floppy drive onboard, take this 1.44M bootable image' ? Even if it's only for 0.0001% of the user base, it's still nice.. plus, the fact that there would a floppy image available for download is also a message 'FreeDOS cares about old systems'. just my $0.03. :) Mateusz -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Boot Disc
Hi, On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Ricardus Vincente wrote: > > Would someone please remind me about why there isn't a boot floppy > image in the FreeDOS web site that actually has FreeDOS on it? Seems > like it would be a really easy thing to do, and for that small > percentage of people who want to bring life to an old machine that can't > boot from CD, it would be super helpful. 1). Most people don't use floppies anymore. Either their machines lack the drive or they lack floppy disks or their favorite OS doesn't support USB floppy drives or they prefer booting CD-R (EDIT: why didn't you try Smart Boot Manager???) or USB drives or they can't be bothered or 2). "Really easy" ... sure, but keeping it up-to-date is a bit more tedious, esp. for little gain. It's really easy to whip up something crappy, a bit harder to do it right where it covers everything (various floppy sizes, cpus, RAM requirements, peripherals, docs, sources, etc). 3). "Small percentage" ... literally almost nobody has complained so far! Keep in mind that volunteers are extremely low, which is why it took so long for FD 1.1 to come out (thanks, Bernd!). Most of us prefer contributing to other things. 4). There ARE floppy images, as mentioned, just slightly moldy. Most of us make do with old stuff and manually install. :o) http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/balder/balder10.img http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/odin/odin060/fdodin06.8088.zip http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/unofficial/floppy/img/base/install.img http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/fdboot.img https://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/BARE_DOS.ZIP?attredirects=0 -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
