Re: [Freedos-user] defrag program issue
> Granted that you can, it may simply be more trouble than it's worth. Agree. No point to brew 64 KiO clusters. -- Subversion Kills Productivity. Get off Subversion & Make the Move to Perforce. With Perforce, you get hassle-free workflows. Merge that actually works. Faster operations. Version large binaries. Built-in WAN optimization and the freedom to use Git, Perforce or both. Make the move to Perforce. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=122218951&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] defrag program issue
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 12:27 PM, dos386 wrote: >> You can create a 4GB FAT16 partition using WinXP which >> uses 64KB clusters, but it probably isn't accessible from DOS. > > Did you test? EDR-DOS AFAIK does support 64 KiB clusters on FAT16, but > I never tested. No, I didn't. It may be *possible* to create a FAT16 filesystem with 64K clusters and a 4GB volume size, but I have no reason to want to. I still recfall all the fun with "slack space" in MS-DOS. Since only one file could be on a cluster, any space that file didn't occupy wasted. A 1K batch file could take 32K on disk. >> See http://support.macro$oft.com/kb/310561 > > See drdos.org and drdosprojects.de (latter unfortunately no longer > maintained). And to make use of 64K clusters and a 4GB volume size in DOS, you must also run a DR-DOS variant. Granted that you can, it may simply be more trouble than it's worth. I'm straight NTFS in Windows, and ext4 in Linux. I have a 2GB FAT32 partition on the box that has FreeDOS installed for it to live in, But Windows and Linux are on the box too. Linux and Windows can both see the FAT32 slice, Linux can see the NTFS partition, and an open source driver lets Windows access the ext4 file systems. FreeDOS can only see it's own slice, but I don't care. Worst case, I can defrag the FAT32 partition from Windows. __ Dennis -- Subversion Kills Productivity. Get off Subversion & Make the Move to Perforce. With Perforce, you get hassle-free workflows. Merge that actually works. Faster operations. Version large binaries. Built-in WAN optimization and the freedom to use Git, Perforce or both. Make the move to Perforce. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=122218951&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] defrag program issue
> You can create a 4GB FAT16 partition using WinXP which > uses 64KB clusters, but it probably isn't accessible from DOS. Did you test? EDR-DOS AFAIK does support 64 KiB clusters on FAT16, but I never tested. > See http://support.macro$oft.com/kb/310561 See drdos.org and drdosprojects.de (latter unfortunately no longer maintained). -- Subversion Kills Productivity. Get off Subversion & Make the Move to Perforce. With Perforce, you get hassle-free workflows. Merge that actually works. Faster operations. Version large binaries. Built-in WAN optimization and the freedom to use Git, Perforce or both. Make the move to Perforce. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=122218951&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] defrag program issue
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Marcos Florence wrote: > 4GB FAT16 partitions would be a lot better, but for some reason > I couldn't make them. FDISK isn't always easy to use. FAT16 has a 2GB limit, imposed by the format. The smallest area of disk accessible by DOS is the cluster. FAT16 uses 16 bit addressing, so you can have a total of 65,536 clusters. Maximum cluster size is 32KB, which makes 2GB the maximum FAT16 partition size. FAT32 was designed to bypass those limits as large HDs became available/affordable, and multiple partitions were a PITA. You can create a 4GB FAT16 partition using WinXP which uses 64KB clusters, but it probably isn't accessible from DOS. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310561 > Marcos __ Dennis https://plus.google.com/u/0/105128793974319004519 -- Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] defrag program issue
Hi, A defrag supporting FAT32 would be nice indeed. I have been taking lots of digital photos recently, and they need large amounts of disk space. The only reason I have been unwilling to use FAT32 is that there is no way of defragmenting. Instead, I made several FAT16 partitions of 2GB each -- hardly the ideal solution. 4GB FAT16 partitions would be a lot better, but for some reason I couldn't make them. FDISK isn't always easy to use. Marcos -- Marcos F vero Florence de Barros Campinas, Brazil -- Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] defrag program issue
Hi, On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:37 PM, John R. Sowden wrote: >> > Thanks for the follow up. I can boot with a floppy using MS-DOS 6.2. But I don't think that version supports FAT32. (And I have no idea if defragging FAT is supported under Linux or FreeBSD.) > I think my version of the defrag program is 1.3.1 (downloaded yesterday-I > think I'll look elsewhere). http://users.telenet.be/imre/FreeDOS/dfrag132.zip > I remember copying to another drive years ago, think I'll try it as my > data is only 120MB. I just don't know what else to tell you. Maybe email Imre directly. -- Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] defrag program issue
On 02/26/2014 04:16 PM, Rugxulo wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:53 AM, John R. Sowden > wrote: >> On 02/25/2014 03:00 AM, Tom Ehlert wrote: >> >> When I run the defrag program on my dos machine, It does not allow me to >> do a full defrag. The options are limited (grayed out). > It could be a bug in the program or (maybe?) an incompatibility with > your partition. I know it doesn't always work perfectly, trying to do > everything in real mode (which is fairly impossible for really huge > FAT32 drives). > >> On that machine, I am running freedos and for a command processor, >> 4dos. FAT32 was created by a windows o/s before I bought it. I have >> since removed window (xp?). > So you don't have access to any other versions of DOS or OS/2 or > Windows? (Take the hard drive with you to another machine, and try > there.) Obviously if the FreeDOS version doesn't work at all, you'll > have to use a different one (if defragging is that important to you > and just re-copying / deleting doesn't work as a simple kludge). > >> the defrag program doesn't work on FAT32. > Well, I'm pretty sure that's not true anymore, but I haven't tried it lately. > >> this is the one I am running: >> >> FreeDOS defrag >> >> FreeDOS defrag is a free software implementation of a file defragmenter >> under the GNU General Public License. It was especially implemented for the >> FreeDOS project. >> >> <> > According to FreeDOS's Software List (.LSM), the latest version of > Defrag is 1.3.2. > > http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=defrag > > While it still lists Imre Leber as maintainer, there hasn't been a > newer version since 2009, so don't get your hopes up on any huge fixes > coming. (Sorry if that's not what you want to hear.) > > -- > Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. > Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer > Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. > Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > Thanks for the follow up. I can boot with a floppy using MS-DOS 6.2. I think my version of the defrag program is 1.3.1 (downloaded yesterday-I think I'll look elsewhere). I remember copying to another drive years ago, think I'll try it as my data is only 120MB. Again, thanks. John -- Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] defrag program issue
Hi, On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 7:53 AM, John R. Sowden wrote: > On 02/25/2014 03:00 AM, Tom Ehlert wrote: > > When I run the defrag program on my dos machine, It does not allow me to > do a full defrag. The options are limited (grayed out). It could be a bug in the program or (maybe?) an incompatibility with your partition. I know it doesn't always work perfectly, trying to do everything in real mode (which is fairly impossible for really huge FAT32 drives). > On that machine, I am running freedos and for a command processor, > 4dos. FAT32 was created by a windows o/s before I bought it. I have > since removed window (xp?). So you don't have access to any other versions of DOS or OS/2 or Windows? (Take the hard drive with you to another machine, and try there.) Obviously if the FreeDOS version doesn't work at all, you'll have to use a different one (if defragging is that important to you and just re-copying / deleting doesn't work as a simple kludge). > the defrag program doesn't work on FAT32. Well, I'm pretty sure that's not true anymore, but I haven't tried it lately. > this is the one I am running: > > FreeDOS defrag > > FreeDOS defrag is a free software implementation of a file defragmenter > under the GNU General Public License. It was especially implemented for the > FreeDOS project. > > <> According to FreeDOS's Software List (.LSM), the latest version of Defrag is 1.3.2. http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=defrag While it still lists Imre Leber as maintainer, there hasn't been a newer version since 2009, so don't get your hopes up on any huge fixes coming. (Sorry if that's not what you want to hear.) -- Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] defrag program issue
On 02/25/2014 03:00 AM, Tom Ehlert wrote: When I run the defrag program on my dos machine, It does not allow me to do a full defrag. The options are limited (grayed out). On that machine, I am running freedos and for a command processor, 4dos. FAT32 was created by a windows o/s before I bought it. I have since removed window (xp?). the defrag program doesn't work on FAT32. Tom -- Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user this is the one I am running: FreeDOS defrag FreeDOS defrag is a free software implementation of a file defragmenter under the GNU General Public License. It was especially implemented for the FreeDOS project. <> Defrag has been under development since 2000 and has the following features: 1. Supports FAT12/FAT16/FAT32 with full long file name support 2. Supports sorting of directory entries 3. Features 8 defragmentation methods 4. Has an intuitive text mode interface, highly inspired by the MSDOS defrag interface John -- Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] defrag program issue
> When I run the defrag program on my dos machine, It does not allow me to > do a full defrag. The options are limited (grayed out). > On that machine, I am running freedos and for a command processor, > 4dos. FAT32 was created by a windows o/s before I bought it. I have > since removed window (xp?). the defrag program doesn't work on FAT32. Tom -- Flow-based real-time traffic analytics software. Cisco certified tool. Monitor traffic, SLAs, QoS, Medianet, WAAS etc. with NetFlow Analyzer Customize your own dashboards, set traffic alerts and generate reports. Network behavioral analysis & security monitoring. All-in-one tool. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=126839071&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
