Re: [Freeipa-devel] Move FreeIPA translations to Zanata?
On 01/09/2015 03:00 PM, John Dennis wrote: On 01/09/2015 07:42 AM, Martin Kosek wrote: I am forwarding my conversation with the Noriko from Fedora localization team to the devel list, see below. What do you guys think? Any concerns with moving FreeIPA translations from Transifex to Zanata? SSSD project is moving there as well. I have no personal experience with Zanata so my comment is worth what you paid for it :-) +1 Just following the online discussions it does seem like Zanata is the future, so probably better to be using the tool everyone else is using instead of a lone hold out. Anecdotal reports suggest migrations are relatively smooth. YMMV. +1 -- Petr Vobornik ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
Re: [Freeipa-devel] Move FreeIPA translations to Zanata?
2015-01-09 15:13 GMT+01:00 Petr Vobornik pvobo...@redhat.com: On 01/09/2015 03:00 PM, John Dennis wrote: On 01/09/2015 07:42 AM, Martin Kosek wrote: I am forwarding my conversation with the Noriko from Fedora localization team to the devel list, see below. What do you guys think? Any concerns with moving FreeIPA translations from Transifex to Zanata? SSSD project is moving there as well. I have no personal experience with Zanata so my comment is worth what you paid for it :-) +1 +1 Just following the online discussions it does seem like Zanata is the future, so probably better to be using the tool everyone else is using instead of a lone hold out. Anecdotal reports suggest migrations are relatively smooth. YMMV. +1 +1 -- Jérôme Fenal ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
Re: [Freeipa-devel] Move FreeIPA translations to Zanata?
On 01/09/2015 07:42 AM, Martin Kosek wrote: I am forwarding my conversation with the Noriko from Fedora localization team to the devel list, see below. What do you guys think? Any concerns with moving FreeIPA translations from Transifex to Zanata? SSSD project is moving there as well. I have no personal experience with Zanata so my comment is worth what you paid for it :-) Just following the online discussions it does seem like Zanata is the future, so probably better to be using the tool everyone else is using instead of a lone hold out. Anecdotal reports suggest migrations are relatively smooth. YMMV. -- John ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
[Freeipa-devel] Move FreeIPA translations to Zanata?
I am forwarding my conversation with the Noriko from Fedora localization team to the devel list, see below. What do you guys think? Any concerns with moving FreeIPA translations from Transifex to Zanata? SSSD project is moving there as well. The move has +1 from me, the Zanata platform looks great, many projects are migrating to it AND it is open source (unlike Transifex). The actual migration should be pretty straightforward. Tomas Babej already volunteered to take care of the localization process. The Fedora localization team will help with any Zanata specifics, so it should be pretty smooth move. Thanks, Martin Forwarded Message Subject: Re: ShRe: zanata: freeipa-guide is migrated to fedora.zanata.org Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 11:28:30 +1000 From: Noriko Mizumoto nor...@redhat.com Reply-To: nor...@redhat.com Organization: Red Hat To: Martin Kosek mko...@redhat.com, Ding Yi Chen dc...@redhat.com CC: Carlos Munoz camu...@redhat.com, Patrick Huang pahu...@redhat.com, Alex Eng a...@redhat.com (2015年01月08日 21:07), Martin Kosek wrote: On 01/08/2015 01:22 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote: - Original Message - On 01/06/2015 08:14 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote: Hi, The migration of the freeipa-guide project translations to Zanata is now complete. Translators can start working now at https://fedora.zanata.org/project/view/freeipa-guide To use Zanata, you need to 1. Register in https://fedora.zanata.org 2. If you are not the maintainer of your project yet, contact the admin to add you as maintainer. 3. Follow the instruction http://zanata.org/help/cli/cli-configuration/ to set up client. 4. Place the attached zanata.xml, in the root directory of repository 5. (Optional) Integrate zanata push and zanata pull to your buildscript If you have any questions or need us to provide patches, feel free to contact the Zanata dev team. Regards, Hello Ding Yi, Personally, I do not think we should have these translation projects enabled either in Transifex, nor in Zanata to avoid contributions to an orphaned, dead guide. The history and reasoning around orphaning FreeIPA upstream guide can be found here: http://www.freeipa.org/page/Upstream_User_Guide Martin Dear Martin, Just wondering should we migrate the FreeIPA as well? It seems freeipa-python is still an active package. Regards, Hello, I was already thinking about it too. I am not sure what you mean by freeipa-python, it is just one subpackage of the FreeIPA project. The FreeIPA Transifex translation project is: https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/freeipa/ And yes, the FreeIPA project is quite active :-) Just like FESCo, I am personally open to migrating it to Zanata. But I would like to have this proposal also agreed on the FreeIPA upstream development list so that it is not decided behind developers' backs. Can you (or whoever will help with transition) please ask on the freeipa-devel mailing list with this proposal? Or do you use different process? Thank you, Martin Hi Martin I am Noriko Mizumoto, FLSCo member. We, FLP (Fedora Localization Project), decided to move our interface from Transifex to Zanata. I have had the meetings with the leaders from Docs team, Web team as well FESCo [1] in 2014, and our decision has been supported by them. This means that All translators move to Zanata to work on Fedora related translation. All Fedora projects including Software, Documentation and Websites are requested to move to Zanata. I understand that FreeIPA is Upstream and is not bound by this. But I like to encourage your project team to consider the move, since all Fedora projects as well many of Upstream projects will move to Zanata from Transifex. The detailed background can be found in the FESCo ticket [1]. The migration schedule can be found in the wiki page [2]. The announcement has been made at devel-announce ML in Nov 2014, asking the developers' to take an action [3]. It is much appreciated that if you can coordinate the discussion with the freeipa-devel team. Once the decision is made, could you please advise me so that I will make sure to inform your project's decision to all Fedora translators. We are looking at to complete entire projects migration by February 2015, minimizing the impact to F22. Any question, please feel free to ask. [1]:https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1334 [2]:https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Move_To_Zanata [3]:https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2014-November/001467.html Thanks noriko FLSCo member Fedora Localization Project ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
Re: [Freeipa-devel] Move FreeIPA translations to Zanata?
On Fri, Jan 09, 2015 at 01:42:25PM +0100, Martin Kosek wrote: I am forwarding my conversation with the Noriko from Fedora localization team to the devel list, see below. What do you guys think? Any concerns with moving FreeIPA translations from Transifex to Zanata? SSSD project is moving there as well. s/is moving/has moved/ :-) The 1.12.3 release we did yesterday already contains translations fetched from Zanata. The move has +1 from me, the Zanata platform looks great, many projects are migrating to it AND it is open source (unlike Transifex). The actual migration should be pretty straightforward. Tomas Babej already volunteered to take care of the localization process. The Fedora localization team will help with any Zanata specifics, so it should be pretty smooth move. For SSSD it was pretty straighforward thanks to some help we received from the Fedora team. My only negative-ish impression of Zanata so far is that I liked the Transifex tooling better. I hope the zanata-cli tools will improve over time as well. ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
Re: [Freeipa-devel] Move FreeIPA translations to Zanata?
On Fri, 09 Jan 2015 13:42:25 +0100 Martin Kosek mko...@redhat.com wrote: I am forwarding my conversation with the Noriko from Fedora localization team to the devel list, see below. What do you guys think? Any concerns with moving FreeIPA translations from Transifex to Zanata? SSSD project is moving there as well. The move has +1 from me, the Zanata platform looks great, many projects are migrating to it AND it is open source (unlike Transifex). The actual migration should be pretty straightforward. Tomas Babej already volunteered to take care of the localization process. The Fedora localization team will help with any Zanata specifics, so it should be pretty smooth move. I see no problem moving to Zanata. Simo. Thanks, Martin Forwarded Message Subject: Re: ShRe: zanata: freeipa-guide is migrated to fedora.zanata.org Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 11:28:30 +1000 From: Noriko Mizumoto nor...@redhat.com Reply-To: nor...@redhat.com Organization: Red Hat To: Martin Kosek mko...@redhat.com, Ding Yi Chen dc...@redhat.com CC: Carlos Munoz camu...@redhat.com, Patrick Huang pahu...@redhat.com, Alex Eng a...@redhat.com (2015年01月08日 21:07), Martin Kosek wrote: On 01/08/2015 01:22 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote: - Original Message - On 01/06/2015 08:14 AM, Ding Yi Chen wrote: Hi, The migration of the freeipa-guide project translations to Zanata is now complete. Translators can start working now at https://fedora.zanata.org/project/view/freeipa-guide To use Zanata, you need to 1. Register in https://fedora.zanata.org 2. If you are not the maintainer of your project yet, contact the admin to add you as maintainer. 3. Follow the instruction http://zanata.org/help/cli/cli-configuration/ to set up client. 4. Place the attached zanata.xml, in the root directory of repository 5. (Optional) Integrate zanata push and zanata pull to your buildscript If you have any questions or need us to provide patches, feel free to contact the Zanata dev team. Regards, Hello Ding Yi, Personally, I do not think we should have these translation projects enabled either in Transifex, nor in Zanata to avoid contributions to an orphaned, dead guide. The history and reasoning around orphaning FreeIPA upstream guide can be found here: http://www.freeipa.org/page/Upstream_User_Guide Martin Dear Martin, Just wondering should we migrate the FreeIPA as well? It seems freeipa-python is still an active package. Regards, Hello, I was already thinking about it too. I am not sure what you mean by freeipa-python, it is just one subpackage of the FreeIPA project. The FreeIPA Transifex translation project is: https://fedora.transifex.com/projects/p/freeipa/ And yes, the FreeIPA project is quite active :-) Just like FESCo, I am personally open to migrating it to Zanata. But I would like to have this proposal also agreed on the FreeIPA upstream development list so that it is not decided behind developers' backs. Can you (or whoever will help with transition) please ask on the freeipa-devel mailing list with this proposal? Or do you use different process? Thank you, Martin Hi Martin I am Noriko Mizumoto, FLSCo member. We, FLP (Fedora Localization Project), decided to move our interface from Transifex to Zanata. I have had the meetings with the leaders from Docs team, Web team as well FESCo [1] in 2014, and our decision has been supported by them. This means that All translators move to Zanata to work on Fedora related translation. All Fedora projects including Software, Documentation and Websites are requested to move to Zanata. I understand that FreeIPA is Upstream and is not bound by this. But I like to encourage your project team to consider the move, since all Fedora projects as well many of Upstream projects will move to Zanata from Transifex. The detailed background can be found in the FESCo ticket [1]. The migration schedule can be found in the wiki page [2]. The announcement has been made at devel-announce ML in Nov 2014, asking the developers' to take an action [3]. It is much appreciated that if you can coordinate the discussion with the freeipa-devel team. Once the decision is made, could you please advise me so that I will make sure to inform your project's decision to all Fedora translators. We are looking at to complete entire projects migration by February 2015, minimizing the impact to F22. Any question, please feel free to ask. [1]:https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1334 [2]:https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Move_To_Zanata [3]:https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2014-November/001467.html Thanks noriko FLSCo member Fedora Localization Project -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com
Re: [Freeipa-devel] Move FreeIPA translations to Zanata?
On 01/09/2015 03:34 PM, Jérôme Fenal wrote: 2015-01-09 15:13 GMT+01:00 Petr Vobornik pvobo...@redhat.com: On 01/09/2015 03:00 PM, John Dennis wrote: On 01/09/2015 07:42 AM, Martin Kosek wrote: I am forwarding my conversation with the Noriko from Fedora localization team to the devel list, see below. What do you guys think? Any concerns with moving FreeIPA translations from Transifex to Zanata? SSSD project is moving there as well. I have no personal experience with Zanata so my comment is worth what you paid for it :-) +1 +1 Just following the online discussions it does seem like Zanata is the future, so probably better to be using the tool everyone else is using instead of a lone hold out. Anecdotal reports suggest migrations are relatively smooth. YMMV. +1 +1 Thanks to all! I did not see any disagreement, I think the request already hit the critical mass of agreement to move on. I will connect Tomas with the Fedora localization team, to co-work on the technical move from Transifex to Zanata. My only requirement is that the uploading/downloading process and Localization process overall is well documented and/or scripted in our git. We should also add it as a step to our Release wiki page (to make sure translations are updated). Martin ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
Re: [Freeipa-devel] Move FreeIPA translations to Zanata?
On Fri, Jan 09, 2015 at 04:01:57PM +0100, Martin Kosek wrote: My only requirement is that the uploading/downloading process and Localization process overall is well documented and/or scripted in our git. We should also add it as a step to our Release wiki page (to make sure translations are updated). You pretty much need: http://zanata.org/help/cli/cli-configuration/ Currently zanata-cli seems to suffer from a bug where the -s and -t options are required to be specified on the command line despite being defined in zanata.xml ___ Freeipa-devel mailing list Freeipa-devel@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-devel
