Re: [Freeipa-devel] Multicast SSL for Server Broadcast

2010-10-05 Thread Rob Townley
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Simo Sorce  wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:25:30 -0500
> Rob Townley  wrote:
>
>> i was just wondering if multicast ssl (or multicast over a vpn such as
>> IPsec) has been considered as a way to efficiently replicate
>> information from one server to all other servers.  i was specifically
>> thinking of multicasting tracking bad password attempts from one
>> server to all the other servers.
>>
>> i don't know anything about multicast ssl except that IBM worked on it
>> in the late 1990's and it was supposed to support reliable transport.
>> It may simplify things if all the servers had the same certificate...
>
> Hi Rob,
> I didn't know you could do reliable multicasting, do you have any
> refernce to an RFC or other document ?
>
> Anyway the main problem would be changing quite drastically the
> replication engine. It would also have impact over the replication
> topology. Something we should think about, but it's going to be a very
> long term thing. The amount of changes required to do something like
> that looks quite big.
>
> Simo.
>
> --
> Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York
>

Yes, when i think of multicast, i think udp, therefore unreliable.  i
do not know a thing about securing multicast communications.

But one example is GSAKMP or Group Secure Association Key Management
Protocol from the msec group.
msec = Multicast Security is a group with a list of rfcs for security
as recent as 2010.
http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/msec/charter/
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4535

SecureMulticast.org was the first result of googling "multicast ssl"
and a search at the IETF returned some results, all of which expired
around ten years ago.
At http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/search/ ,  enter the terms secure
multicast, but many of these expired around 10 years ago.

i am sure there are other secure multicast methods and of course just
doing multicast over a VPN or IPsec.

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Re: [Freeipa-devel] Multicast SSL for Server Broadcast

2010-10-05 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:25:30 -0500
Rob Townley  wrote:

> i was just wondering if multicast ssl (or multicast over a vpn such as
> IPsec) has been considered as a way to efficiently replicate
> information from one server to all other servers.  i was specifically
> thinking of multicasting tracking bad password attempts from one
> server to all the other servers.
> 
> i don't know anything about multicast ssl except that IBM worked on it
> in the late 1990's and it was supposed to support reliable transport.
> It may simplify things if all the servers had the same certificate...

Hi Rob,
I didn't know you could do reliable multicasting, do you have any
refernce to an RFC or other document ?

Anyway the main problem would be changing quite drastically the
replication engine. It would also have impact over the replication
topology. Something we should think about, but it's going to be a very
long term thing. The amount of changes required to do something like
that looks quite big.

Simo.

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Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York

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