Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-30 Thread Gerry Reno
Well, since they are removing all of this code from Cendio in order to implement Microsoft's RDP specifications, I don't think anybody would agree about the seeing and using part. Marc seemed to be saying that they needed to remove all that code to implement the Microsoft RDP spec so they are not

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-30 Thread Andreas Kotes
Hello Peter, * Peter Åstrand [20110630 17:03]: >> Peter, >>I've been sitting here watching this discussion for a bit. >>So what is it that you are saying? >> >>Are you saying that FreeRDP has to go back all the way to before >> this 2002.07.18 date in the rdesktop repo to start as the

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-30 Thread Peter Åstrand
Peter, I've been sitting here watching this discussion for a bit. So what is it that you are saying? Are you saying that FreeRDP has to go back all the way to before this 2002.07.18 date in the rdesktop repo to start as their baseline in order that they have not derived from you or Cendi

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-30 Thread Gerry Reno
Peter, I've been sitting here watching this discussion for a bit. So what is it that you are saying? Are you saying that FreeRDP has to go back all the way to before this 2002.07.18 date in the rdesktop repo to start as their baseline in order that they have not derived from you or Ce

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-30 Thread Peter Åstrand
Our view is that you cannot just look at individual lines. For example, all the lines that are "written" (according to Subversion) by, say, Matt may in turn be based on previous work done by us, ie such code may also be derived work. Rgds, Peter On Thu, 30 Jun 2011, Vic Lee wrote: Hi Pete

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-30 Thread Jürgen Lüters
Am Mittwoch, den 29.06.2011, 16:37 +0200 schrieb Peter Åstrand: > On Tue, 28 Jun 2011, Jürgen Lüters wrote: > > > copyright law at least in europe, northamerica and japan protects the > > work computer program in our case. The law does protect programms in > > binary and text form. > > The law doe

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-30 Thread Peter Åstrand
The FreeRDP community owns copyright on code which is ours, not yours. You are not violating our copyright by using it in a context not allowed by the license we use, in this case, Apache, but you are trying to force *your* terms of usage on us by making vague claims that you own copyright on

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-29 Thread Marc-André Moreau
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Peter Åstrand wrote: > > Comments below: > > > Hi Peter, >> We're not talking about "trivial changes" that would make such a tool >> fail. FreeRDP is following the official >> Microsoft specifications. We can easily see the difference between >> rdesktop and Fre

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-29 Thread Peter Åstrand
Comments below: Hi Peter, We're not talking about "trivial changes" that would make such a tool fail. FreeRDP is following the official Microsoft specifications. We can easily see the difference between rdesktop and FreeRDP for that reason: rdesktop pretty much remained the same after the spe

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-29 Thread Marc-André Moreau
Hi Peter, We're not talking about "trivial changes" that would make such a tool fail. FreeRDP is following the official Microsoft specifications. We can easily see the difference between rdesktop and FreeRDP for that reason: rdesktop pretty much remained the same after the specs were published, wh

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-29 Thread Peter Åstrand
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011, Jürgen Lüters wrote: copyright law at least in europe, northamerica and japan protects the work computer program in our case. The law does protect programms in binary and text form. The law does _not_ protect ideas and concepts. Several programs can implement the same algor

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-28 Thread Jürgen Lüters
Am Dienstag, den 28.06.2011, 10:17 +0200 schrieb Jürgen Lüters: > Am Montag, den 27.06.2011, 17:04 -0400 schrieb Marc-André Moreau: > > Hi Jurgen, > > > > > > Can you just tell me the commands you used to generate the output > > which you've attached to your email? > > > Find the script attached

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-28 Thread Jürgen Lüters
Am Montag, den 27.06.2011, 23:09 +0200 schrieb Andreas Kotes: > Hello, > > * Marc-André Moreau [20110627 22:18]: > > I started using the tool. I'm using yesterday's version from git, and > > rdesktop revision 1505, which corresponds to the time at which we forked the > > project. > > > > I manua

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-27 Thread Marc-André Moreau
Hi Andreas, Not so fast, those results are based on an older version of FreeRDP, which are obviously NOT to be used as a comparison point. The results shown with the latest version of FreeRDP are actually much more encouraging. On the other hand, the tool is pretty cool, and may provide a good w

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-27 Thread Andreas Kotes
Hello, * Marc-André Moreau [20110627 22:18]: > I started using the tool. I'm using yesterday's version from git, and > rdesktop revision 1505, which corresponds to the time at which we forked the > project. > > I manually removed the git and svn hidden directories from the source trees. > The do

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-27 Thread Marc-André Moreau
Hi Jurgen, I started using the tool. I'm using yesterday's version from git, and rdesktop revision 1505, which corresponds to the time at which we forked the project. I manually removed the git and svn hidden directories from the source trees. The documentation for the comparator mentions that th

Re: [Freerdp-devel] License change source tree comparison findings

2011-06-27 Thread Marc-André Moreau
Hi Jurgen, Thank you for pointing out this interesting tool. There's a lot of "noise" though in the results, a match between rdesktop and FreeRDP does not mean copyright infringement, since we had the agreement of the original authors, except for Cendio AB. Do you know of any way to filter out stu