Re: [Freesurfer] Freesurfer 1mm Isotropic standard and the Future

2012-10-16 Thread Joshua Lee
Hi Everyone,

Back in May I was very excited to learn that there was some movement toward
allowing Freesurfer to utilize the higher than 1mm iso. resolutions of some
of our structural images, which could be fantastic help in subcortical
segmentations. Is this something that is still in the works for the next
release?

gratefully,

Joshua




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Graduate Student
Center for Mind and Brain 
Department of Psychology
University of California, Davis
530.747.3805


On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.eduwrote:

 Hi Joshua

 sorry, I haven't found the time to really work on it. I spent a couple of
 hours and found some problems, but haven't found the time to fix them

 Bruce

 On Thu, 31 May 2012, Joshua Lee wrote:

  Hi Bruce,

 I'm just checking in to see how it turned out with the subcortical
 segmentation using the high resolution images I sent.
 Best,

 Joshua






 -
 Joshua Lee
 Graduate Student
 Center for Mind and Brain 
 Department of Psychology
 University of California, Davis
 530.747.3805


 On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 
 wrote:
  you need to call mris_make_surfaces directly. It's a bit
  complicated as you need to intensity normalize and register the
  hires volume to the surfaces first. I have an example script if
  anyone is interested, but no one has used it yet but me I don't
  think (unless Matt Glasser has gotten his version working, which
  on second thought he probably has)

  On Mon, 14 May 2012, Michael Waskom wrote:

Hi Bruce,
Is there a flag for this on recon-all? áOr do you

need to use
mri_make_surfaces directly?

Best,
Michael

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruce Fischl
fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
wrote:
á á áHi Joshua

á á áyes, we already have upgraded
mris_make_surfaces to take higher
á á áres data
á á áand refine the surfaces with it. Haven't tried
it on the aseg
á á áyet, but if
á á áyou upload a sample dataset I could see how
hard it is.

á á ácheers
á á áBruce
á á áOn Mon, 14 May 2012,
á á áJoshua Lee wrote:

á á á Dear Freesurfers,
á á á
á á á Over the last years, MR imaging technology
hasimproved such
á á áthat sub 1-mm
á á á isotropic scans can be obtained with good
signal to noise
á á ácharacteristics.
á á á For example, our lab uses 0.7mm isotropic
structural MR
á á áimages. I understand
á á á that the Freesurfer pipeline will up-sample
these to 1mm
á á áisotropic, but it
á á á seems a shame that so much information is
left unused which
á á ácould be used to
á á á improve the accuracy of sub-cortical and
cortical
á á ásegmentation. My question
á á á is whether there are any plans at Freesurfer
to change the
á á áreference
á á á standard resolution from 1mm isotropic, or
provide another
á á ásolution that can
á á á help researchers make the most of your
technology.
á á á
á á á Sincerely,
á á á
á á á
á á á Joshua
á á á -
á á á Joshua
á á á
á á á
á á á

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Re: [Freesurfer] Freesurfer 1mm Isotropic standard and the Future

2012-05-16 Thread Michael Waskom
Oops i just realized I only sent this to Bruce:

Thanks!  It looks like this involves some manual intervention.  Matt., I
assume you're not manually making control points on 1000s of subjects (I
imagine this is for the human connectcome project).  Is your code public
somewhere?

Cheers,
Michael

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Michael Waskom mwas...@stanford.eduwrote:

 Thanks!  It looks like this involves some manual intervention.  Matt., I
 assume you're not manually making control points on 1000s of subjects (I
 imagine this is for the human connectcome project).  Is your code public
 somewhere?

 Cheers,
 Michael


 On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Bruce Fischl 
 fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.eduwrote:

 sure, here's mine. Matt's is probably a lot more polished as they intend
 to run it on hundreds or thousands of subjects

 On Tue, 15 May 2012, Michael Waskom wrote:

  Hi Bruce,
 Sounds cool, I'd be very interested in checking out the script.

 Cheers,
 Michael

 On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Bruce Fischl 
 fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 wrote:
  you need to call mris_make_surfaces directly. It's a bit
  complicated as you need to intensity normalize and register the
  hires volume to the surfaces first. I have an example script if
  anyone is interested, but no one has used it yet but me I don't
  think (unless Matt Glasser has gotten his version working, which
  on second thought he probably has)

  On Mon, 14 May 2012, Michael Waskom wrote:

Hi Bruce,
Is there a flag for this on recon-all?  Or do you
need to use
mri_make_surfaces directly?

Best,
Michael

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruce Fischl
fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
wrote:
 Hi Joshua

 yes, we already have upgraded
mris_make_surfaces to take higher
 res data
 and refine the surfaces with it. Haven't tried
it on the aseg
 yet, but if
 you upload a sample dataset I could see how
hard it is.

 cheers
 Bruce
 On Mon, 14 May 2012,
 Joshua Lee wrote:

  Dear Freesurfers,
 
  Over the last years, MR imaging technology
hasimproved such
 that sub 1-mm
  isotropic scans can be obtained with good
signal to noise
 characteristics.
  For example, our lab uses 0.7mm isotropic
structural MR
 images. I understand
  that the Freesurfer pipeline will up-sample
these to 1mm
 isotropic, but it
  seems a shame that so much information is
left unused which
 could be used to
  improve the accuracy of sub-cortical and
cortical
 segmentation. My question
  is whether there are any plans at Freesurfer
to change the
 reference
  standard resolution from 1mm isotropic, or
provide another
 solution that can
  help researchers make the most of your
technology.
 
  Sincerely,
 
 
  Joshua
  -
  Joshua
 
 
 
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Re: [Freesurfer] Freesurfer 1mm Isotropic standard and the Future

2012-05-16 Thread Bruce Fischl
Only because I was lazy! You can use surfaces for normalization too. I think 
the script I gave Matt probably had that in it



On May 16, 2012, at 9:21 PM, Michael Waskom mwas...@stanford.edu wrote:

 Oops i just realized I only sent this to Bruce:
 
 Thanks!  It looks like this involves some manual intervention.  Matt., I 
 assume you're not manually making control points on 1000s of subjects (I 
 imagine this is for the human connectcome project).  Is your code public 
 somewhere?
 
 Cheers,
 Michael
 
 On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Michael Waskom mwas...@stanford.edu wrote:
 Thanks!  It looks like this involves some manual intervention.  Matt., I 
 assume you're not manually making control points on 1000s of subjects (I 
 imagine this is for the human connectcome project).  Is your code public 
 somewhere?
 
 Cheers,
 Michael
 
 
 On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
 wrote:
 sure, here's mine. Matt's is probably a lot more polished as they intend to 
 run it on hundreds or thousands of subjects
 
 On Tue, 15 May 2012, Michael Waskom wrote:
 
 Hi Bruce,
 Sounds cool, I'd be very interested in checking out the script.
 
 Cheers,
 Michael
 
 On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 wrote:
  you need to call mris_make_surfaces directly. It's a bit
  complicated as you need to intensity normalize and register the
  hires volume to the surfaces first. I have an example script if
  anyone is interested, but no one has used it yet but me I don't
  think (unless Matt Glasser has gotten his version working, which
  on second thought he probably has)
 
  On Mon, 14 May 2012, Michael Waskom wrote:
 
Hi Bruce,
Is there a flag for this on recon-all?  Or do you
need to use
mri_make_surfaces directly?
 
Best,
Michael
 
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruce Fischl
fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
wrote:
 Hi Joshua
 
 yes, we already have upgraded
mris_make_surfaces to take higher
 res data
 and refine the surfaces with it. Haven't tried
it on the aseg
 yet, but if
 you upload a sample dataset I could see how
hard it is.
 
 cheers
 Bruce
 On Mon, 14 May 2012,
 Joshua Lee wrote:
 
  Dear Freesurfers,
 
  Over the last years, MR imaging technology
hasimproved such
 that sub 1-mm
  isotropic scans can be obtained with good
signal to noise
 characteristics.
  For example, our lab uses 0.7mm isotropic
structural MR
 images. I understand
  that the Freesurfer pipeline will up-sample
these to 1mm
 isotropic, but it
  seems a shame that so much information is
left unused which
 could be used to
  improve the accuracy of sub-cortical and
cortical
 segmentation. My question
  is whether there are any plans at Freesurfer
to change the
 reference
  standard resolution from 1mm isotropic, or
provide another
 solution that can
  help researchers make the most of your
technology.
 
  Sincerely,
 
 
  Joshua
  -
  Joshua
 
 
 
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Re: [Freesurfer] Freesurfer 1mm Isotropic standard and the Future

2012-05-15 Thread Bruce Fischl
you need to call mris_make_surfaces directly. It's a bit complicated as you 
need to intensity normalize and register the hires volume to the surfaces 
first. I have an example script if anyone is interested, but no one has 
used it yet but me I don't think (unless Matt Glasser has gotten his 
version working, which on second thought he probably has)


On Mon, 14 
May 2012, Michael Waskom wrote:



Hi Bruce,
Is there a flag for this on recon-all?  Or do you need to use
mri_make_surfaces directly?

Best,
Michael

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
wrote:
  Hi Joshua

  yes, we already have upgraded mris_make_surfaces to take higher
  res data
  and refine the surfaces with it. Haven't tried it on the aseg
  yet, but if
  you upload a sample dataset I could see how hard it is.

  cheers
  Bruce
  On Mon, 14 May 2012,
  Joshua Lee wrote:

   Dear Freesurfers,
  
   Over the last years, MR imaging technology hasimproved such
  that sub 1-mm
   isotropic scans can be obtained with good signal to noise
  characteristics.
   For example, our lab uses 0.7mm isotropic structural MR
  images. I understand
   that the Freesurfer pipeline will up-sample these to 1mm
  isotropic, but it
   seems a shame that so much information is left unused which
  could be used to
   improve the accuracy of sub-cortical and cortical
  segmentation. My question
   is whether there are any plans at Freesurfer to change the
  reference
   standard resolution from 1mm isotropic, or provide another
  solution that can
   help researchers make the most of your technology.
  
   Sincerely,
  
  
   Joshua
   -
   Joshua
  
  
  
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Re: [Freesurfer] Freesurfer 1mm Isotropic standard and the Future

2012-05-15 Thread Matt Glasser
Yes, I have a modified script working.  For the white surface, the
essentials are the same as Bruce's script but it has some additional stuff
(e.g register T2w to T1w), and I call it in the middle of the recon-all
rather than at the end.  For the pial surface, I have done some more
complicated stuff, which I'd love to talk to Bruce about some more some
time. :)

Peace,

Matt.

-Original Message-
From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
[mailto:freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Fischl
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:29 AM
To: Michael Waskom
Cc: FreeSurfer
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Freesurfer 1mm Isotropic standard and the Future

you need to call mris_make_surfaces directly. It's a bit complicated as you 
need to intensity normalize and register the hires volume to the surfaces 
first. I have an example script if anyone is interested, but no one has 
used it yet but me I don't think (unless Matt Glasser has gotten his 
version working, which on second thought he probably has)

On Mon, 14 
May 2012, Michael Waskom wrote:

 Hi Bruce,
 Is there a flag for this on recon-all?  Or do you need to use
 mri_make_surfaces directly?
 
 Best,
 Michael
 
 On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 wrote:
   Hi Joshua

   yes, we already have upgraded mris_make_surfaces to take higher
   res data
   and refine the surfaces with it. Haven't tried it on the aseg
   yet, but if
   you upload a sample dataset I could see how hard it is.

   cheers
   Bruce
   On Mon, 14 May 2012,
   Joshua Lee wrote:

Dear Freesurfers,
   
Over the last years, MR imaging technology hasimproved such
   that sub 1-mm
isotropic scans can be obtained with good signal to noise
   characteristics.
For example, our lab uses 0.7mm isotropic structural MR
   images. I understand
that the Freesurfer pipeline will up-sample these to 1mm
   isotropic, but it
seems a shame that so much information is left unused which
   could be used to
improve the accuracy of sub-cortical and cortical
   segmentation. My question
is whether there are any plans at Freesurfer to change the
   reference
standard resolution from 1mm isotropic, or provide another
   solution that can
help researchers make the most of your technology.
   
Sincerely,
   
   
Joshua
-
Joshua
   
   
   
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Re: [Freesurfer] Freesurfer 1mm Isotropic standard and the Future

2012-05-15 Thread Joshua Lee
Hi Bruce and Michael,

That would be very nice. Do I just email you the hi-res
*whole-brain*mprages, or is their another way to get the images to
you?

On the other hand, I'm a fair hand at scripting. I'd be willing to
experiment with any scripts that you might provide.

Last, and on an unrelated note. Is that programming position at Freesurfer
still open? I know someone looking for an interesting and challenging
position like that.

Best,

Joshua
-
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Graduate Student
Center for Mind and Brain 
Department of Psychology
University of California, Davis
530.747.3805


On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Matt Glasser m...@ma-tea.com wrote:

 Yes, I have a modified script working.  For the white surface, the
 essentials are the same as Bruce's script but it has some additional stuff
 (e.g register T2w to T1w), and I call it in the middle of the recon-all
 rather than at the end.  For the pial surface, I have done some more
 complicated stuff, which I'd love to talk to Bruce about some more some
 time. :)

 Peace,

 Matt.

 -Original Message-
 From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 [mailto:freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Fischl
 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:29 AM
 To: Michael Waskom
 Cc: FreeSurfer
 Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Freesurfer 1mm Isotropic standard and the Future

 you need to call mris_make_surfaces directly. It's a bit complicated as you
 need to intensity normalize and register the hires volume to the surfaces
 first. I have an example script if anyone is interested, but no one has
 used it yet but me I don't think (unless Matt Glasser has gotten his
 version working, which on second thought he probably has)

 On Mon, 14
 May 2012, Michael Waskom wrote:

  Hi Bruce,
  Is there a flag for this on recon-all?  Or do you need to use
  mri_make_surfaces directly?
 
  Best,
  Michael
 
  On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruce Fischl 
 fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
  wrote:
Hi Joshua
 
yes, we already have upgraded mris_make_surfaces to take higher
res data
and refine the surfaces with it. Haven't tried it on the aseg
yet, but if
you upload a sample dataset I could see how hard it is.
 
cheers
Bruce
On Mon, 14 May 2012,
Joshua Lee wrote:
 
 Dear Freesurfers,

 Over the last years, MR imaging technology hasimproved such
that sub 1-mm
 isotropic scans can be obtained with good signal to noise
characteristics.
 For example, our lab uses 0.7mm isotropic structural MR
images. I understand
 that the Freesurfer pipeline will up-sample these to 1mm
isotropic, but it
 seems a shame that so much information is left unused which
could be used to
 improve the accuracy of sub-cortical and cortical
segmentation. My question
 is whether there are any plans at Freesurfer to change the
reference
 standard resolution from 1mm isotropic, or provide another
solution that can
 help researchers make the most of your technology.

 Sincerely,


 Joshua
 -
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[Freesurfer] Freesurfer 1mm Isotropic standard and the Future

2012-05-14 Thread Joshua Lee
Dear Freesurfers,

Over the last years, MR imaging technology hasimproved such that sub 1-mm
isotropic scans can be obtained with good signal to noise characteristics.
For example, our lab uses 0.7mm isotropic structural MR images. I
understand that the Freesurfer pipeline will up-sample these to 1mm
isotropic, but it seems a shame that so much information is left unused
which could be used to improve the accuracy of sub-cortical and cortical
segmentation. My question is whether there are any plans at Freesurfer to
change the reference standard resolution from 1mm isotropic, or provide
another solution that can help researchers make the most of your technology.

Sincerely,


Joshua
-
Joshua
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Re: [Freesurfer] Freesurfer 1mm Isotropic standard and the Future

2012-05-14 Thread Bruce Fischl
Hi Joshua

yes, we already have upgraded mris_make_surfaces to take higher res data 
and refine the surfaces with it. Haven't tried it on the aseg yet, but if 
you upload a sample dataset I could see how hard it is.

cheers
Bruce
On Mon, 14 May 2012, 
Joshua Lee wrote:

 Dear Freesurfers,
 
 Over the last years, MR imaging technology hasimproved such that sub 1-mm
 isotropic scans can be obtained with good signal to noise characteristics.
 For example, our lab uses 0.7mm isotropic structural MR images. I understand
 that the Freesurfer pipeline will up-sample these to 1mm isotropic, but it
 seems a shame that so much information is left unused which could be used to
 improve the accuracy of sub-cortical and cortical segmentation. My question
 is whether there are any plans at Freesurfer to change the reference
 standard resolution from 1mm isotropic, or provide another solution that can
 help researchers make the most of your technology.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 
 Joshua
 -
 Joshua
 
 

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Re: [Freesurfer] Freesurfer 1mm Isotropic standard and the Future

2012-05-14 Thread Matt Glasser
I'd be interested to hear how this goes too.

Thanks,

Matt.

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[mailto:freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Fischl
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 4:09 PM
To: Joshua Lee
Cc: FreeSurfer
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Freesurfer 1mm Isotropic standard and the Future

Hi Joshua

yes, we already have upgraded mris_make_surfaces to take higher res data 
and refine the surfaces with it. Haven't tried it on the aseg yet, but if 
you upload a sample dataset I could see how hard it is.

cheers
Bruce
On Mon, 14 May 2012, 
Joshua Lee wrote:

 Dear Freesurfers,
 
 Over the last years, MR imaging technology hasimproved such that sub 1-mm
 isotropic scans can be obtained with good signal to noise characteristics.
 For example, our lab uses 0.7mm isotropic structural MR images. I
understand
 that the Freesurfer pipeline will up-sample these to 1mm isotropic, but it
 seems a shame that so much information is left unused which could be used
to
 improve the accuracy of sub-cortical and cortical segmentation. My
question
 is whether there are any plans at Freesurfer to change the reference
 standard resolution from 1mm isotropic, or provide another solution that
can
 help researchers make the most of your technology.
 
 Sincerely,
 
 
 Joshua
 -
 Joshua
 
 

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Re: [Freesurfer] Freesurfer 1mm Isotropic standard and the Future

2012-05-14 Thread Michael Waskom
Hi Bruce,

Is there a flag for this on recon-all?  Or do you need to use
mri_make_surfaces directly?

Best,
Michael

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.eduwrote:

 Hi Joshua

 yes, we already have upgraded mris_make_surfaces to take higher res data
 and refine the surfaces with it. Haven't tried it on the aseg yet, but if
 you upload a sample dataset I could see how hard it is.

 cheers
 Bruce
 On Mon, 14 May 2012,
 Joshua Lee wrote:

  Dear Freesurfers,
 
  Over the last years, MR imaging technology hasimproved such that sub 1-mm
  isotropic scans can be obtained with good signal to noise
 characteristics.
  For example, our lab uses 0.7mm isotropic structural MR images. I
 understand
  that the Freesurfer pipeline will up-sample these to 1mm isotropic, but
 it
  seems a shame that so much information is left unused which could be
 used to
  improve the accuracy of sub-cortical and cortical segmentation. My
 question
  is whether there are any plans at Freesurfer to change the reference
  standard resolution from 1mm isotropic, or provide another solution that
 can
  help researchers make the most of your technology.
 
  Sincerely,
 
 
  Joshua
  -
  Joshua
 
 
 
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