Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Georgiewskiy Yuriy
On 2009-10-07 15:09 -0500, Brian West wrote freeswitch-us...@lists.freeswit...: opal have addition abstraction layer called opalmgr, and it implementation is not so good in this case, for example to implemet pre_answer in mod_opal i need patch libopal, because there is no way to send progress

Re: [Freeswitch-users] openzap Failure opening channel error

2009-10-08 Thread lakshmanan ganapathy
Hi I tried with the following openzap.conf [span zt PRI_1] trunk_type = e1 b-channel = 1:1-15,17-31 d-channel = 1:16 openzap.conf.xml configuration name=openzap.conf description=OpenZAP Configuration settings param name=debug value=7/ /settings libpri_spans

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Vlasis Hatzistavrou (KTI)
Brian West wrote: From what I have been told h323plus is a based/fork of OpenH323 which OPAL is just a continuation of OpenH323. So why not support the developers of OPAL/OpenH323 ? H323Plus incorporates many if not all new features/additions etc from OPAL (for H323 that is) and a few

[Freeswitch-users] directory variables not set correct with the latest trunk

2009-10-08 Thread Juan Backson
Hi, My application fails to set the appropriate variables using directory xml after using the latest trunk as of yesterday. My curl looks like: document type=freeswitch/xml section name=directory domain name=192.168.1.102 user id=22 params param name=password

[Freeswitch-users] sofia_Reg_find_url

2009-10-08 Thread srinivasula reddy
Hi, can any one please tell me how sofia_reg_fine_url, and sofia_glue_execute_sql_callback will work? which format data is storing and retriving. Thanks -- Srinivasula Reddy K ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org

Re: [Freeswitch-users] gateway FS informs it's client FS about users hanged up with a long delay

2009-10-08 Thread Maciej Aniserowicz
Both of the instances are run on the same machine, i just changed the default ports they use. Can anything else cause this strange behavior? MA Michael Jerris wrote: Incorrect NAT configuration so one of the boxes is not actually getting a BYE. On Oct 5, 2009, at 3:13 AM, Maciej

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Recording creates a 388-byte long file and deletes it

2009-10-08 Thread Maciej Aniserowicz
Yes, I know that FS deletes short files. I just don't know why the file is so small... it is always 388 bytes, no matter how long the session lasts. MA Michael Jerris wrote: switch_ivr_async.c:480 On Oct 5, 2009, at 3:16 AM, Maciej Aniserowicz wrote: Hi, When I record a call in FS,

Re: [Freeswitch-users] [Spam] Re: mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Denis Kochmashev Enforta
It's better to read this - http://lists.packetizer.com/pipermail/h323plus/2007-October/20.html -Original Message- From: freeswitch-users-boun...@lists.freeswitch.org [mailto:freeswitch-users-boun...@lists.freeswitch.org] On Behalf Of Jason White Sent: Thursday, October 08,

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Bad sound quality while eavesdropping

2009-10-08 Thread Maciej Aniserowicz
It's the same on the trunk (the last rev I used was not so old anyway). Codecs are the same on both legs: read codec/read rate: PCMU 8000 write codec/write rate: PCMU8000 MA Michael Jerris wrote: What codecs are all the call legs using, also, please try current svn trunk.

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Tihomir Culjaga
Hi Yuriy, did you manage to do something with H323plus and FS ? btw: have you checked Objective OpenH323 http://www.obj-sys.com/telephony-objective.shtml ? This looks better to me as it is lighter and can be easily customized. T. 2009/10/8 Georgiewskiy Yuriy bottle...@icf.org.ru On

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Rupa Schomaker
That code is GPL, not license compatible. ;( 2009/10/8 Tihomir Culjaga tculj...@gmail.com: Hi Yuriy, did you manage to do something with H323plus and FS ? btw: have you checked Objective OpenH323 http://www.obj-sys.com/telephony-objective.shtml ? This looks better to me as it is lighter and

[Freeswitch-users] max-sessions change when running about 2 hr

2009-10-08 Thread Dome Charoenyost
Dear sir, I'm running freeswitch with option /opt/freeswitch/bin/freeswitch -nf -waste -nonat -nc I'm setting up max-sessions in switch.conf to 1 param name=max-sessions value=1/ !--Most channels to create per second -- param name=sessions-per-second value=50/ But when fs

[Freeswitch-users] FS Slide deck?

2009-10-08 Thread Gabriel Gunderson
Hey all, The 3rd annual UTOSC (Utah Open Source Conference) [1] starts today. It's a conference that gives Open Source users/hackers a chance gather together to mingle and share. It's a lot of fun. Anyway, this year I've offered to work with a friend of mine to lead a BoF (Birds of a Feather)

Re: [Freeswitch-users] max-sessions change when running about 2 hr

2009-10-08 Thread Dome Charoenyost
When i try fsctl max_sessions 1 in CLI . FS set it back to 2xx again Dome C. 2009/10/8 Dome Charoenyost d...@tel.co.th: Dear sir,   I'm running freeswitch with option /opt/freeswitch/bin/freeswitch -nf -waste -nonat -nc I'm setting up max-sessions in switch.conf to 1    param

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Vlasis Hatzistavrou (KTI)
Tihomir Culjaga wrote: Hi Yuriy, did you manage to do something with H323plus and FS ? btw: have you checked Objective OpenH323 http://www.obj-sys.com/telephony-objective.shtml ? This looks better to me as it is lighter and can be easily customized. T. AFAIK Objective Systems H323

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Georgiewskiy Yuriy
On 2009-10-08 16:20 +0200, Tihomir Culjaga wrote freeswitch-us...@lists.fre...: TCHi Yuriy, did you manage to do something with H323plus and FS ? i already doing it, but now it not in usable state. TCbtw: have you checked Objective OpenH323 TChttp://www.obj-sys.com/telephony-objective.shtml ?

Re: [Freeswitch-users] max-sessions change when running about 2 hr

2009-10-08 Thread Brian West
How much ram do you have and what distro are you running on, 32bit or 64bit? /b On Oct 8, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Dome Charoenyost wrote: When i try fsctl max_sessions 1 in CLI . FS set it back to 2xx again Dome C. ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Tihomir Culjaga
yep, you made the point :P T. 2009/10/8 Georgiewskiy Yuriy bottle...@icf.org.ru On 2009-10-08 16:20 +0200, Tihomir Culjaga wrote freeswitch-us...@lists.fre...: TCHi Yuriy, did you manage to do something with H323plus and FS ? i already doing it, but now it not in usable state. TCbtw:

Re: [Freeswitch-users] openzap Failure opening channel error

2009-10-08 Thread Moises Silva
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:41 AM, lakshmanan ganapathy lakindi...@gmail.comwrote: Hi I tried with the following openzap.conf [span zt PRI_1] trunk_type = e1 b-channel = 1:1-15,17-31 d-channel = 1:16 This does not look like a healthy config to me. You are using span:channels notation in

Re: [Freeswitch-users] max-sessions change when running about 2 hr

2009-10-08 Thread Dome Charoenyost
2009/10/8 Brian West br...@freeswitch.org: How much ram do you have and what distro are you running on, 32bit or 64bit? 2GB 32bit debian squeeze (swap 6 GB) Dome C. /b On Oct 8, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Dome Charoenyost wrote: When i try fsctl max_sessions 1 in CLI . FS set it back to

Re: [Freeswitch-users] max-sessions change when running about 2 hr

2009-10-08 Thread Dome Charoenyost
may be -waste option effect ? 2009/10/8 Dome Charoenyost d...@tel.co.th: 2009/10/8 Brian West br...@freeswitch.org: How much ram do you have and what distro are you running on, 32bit or 64bit? 2GB  32bit  debian squeeze (swap 6 GB) Dome C. /b On Oct 8, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Dome

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Bad sound quality while eavesdropping

2009-10-08 Thread Anthony Minessale
you probably have some device lying about ptime everywhere look at a sip trace an pay especially close attention to ptime:x param in sdp if you don't understand this just attach it here execute the following at the cli sofia profile internal siptrace on sofila loglevel debug On Thu, Oct 8,

Re: [Freeswitch-users] directory variables not set correct with the latest trunk

2009-10-08 Thread Anthony Minessale
they only set if you authenticate on sip or run the set_user app On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Juan Backson juanback...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, My application fails to set the appropriate variables using directory xml after using the latest trunk as of yesterday. My curl looks like:

Re: [Freeswitch-users] max-sessions change when running about 2 hr

2009-10-08 Thread Anthony Minessale
you are running out of threads and it's fixing itself. one of many reasons you should upgrade to 64 bit OS execute this in your shell before you start FS ulimit -c unlimited ulimit -d unlimited ulimit -f unlimited ulimit -i unlimited ulimit -n 99 ulimit -q unlimited ulimit -u unlimited

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Anthony Minessale
If you are going to make that alternate module are you going to host it in the FS tree along side mod_opal? also if were working on mod_opal why did you not try to involve us and the opal team? How far away from what is in tree are these patches you have? 2009/10/8 Georgiewskiy Yuriy

Re: [Freeswitch-users] max-sessions change when running about 2 hr

2009-10-08 Thread Dome Charoenyost
Thanks. I'll try 64 bit :) 2009/10/8 Anthony Minessale anthony.miness...@gmail.com: you are running out of threads and it's fixing itself. one of many reasons you should upgrade to 64 bit OS execute this in your shell before you start FS ulimit -c unlimited ulimit -d unlimited ulimit -f

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Georgiewskiy Yuriy
On 2009-10-08 10:43 -0500, Anthony Minessale wrote freeswitch-us...@lists.f...: AMIf you are going to make that alternate module are you going to host it in AMthe FS tree along side mod_opal? Yes, but then it be useful, now i have working only signaling part and some kinde of not working rtp

Re: [Freeswitch-users] unable to configure Digium TDM400P

2009-10-08 Thread Michael Collins
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Woody Dickson woodydick...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Michael Is the ztcfg output supposed to say something like 2 channels configured? Yes. If you had the signaling incorrect it would complain. I have not set up openzap yet because I don't know if the

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Vlasis Hatzistavrou (KTI)
Georgiewskiy Yuriy wrote: On 2009-10-08 10:43 -0500, Anthony Minessale wrote freeswitch-us...@lists.f...: AMIf you are going to make that alternate module are you going to host it in AMthe FS tree along side mod_opal? Yes, but then it be useful, now i have working only signaling part and

Re: [Freeswitch-users] openzap Failure opening channel error

2009-10-08 Thread Michael Collins
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Moises Silva moises.si...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:41 AM, lakshmanan ganapathy lakindi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I tried with the following openzap.conf [span zt PRI_1] trunk_type = e1 b-channel = 1:1-15,17-31 d-channel = 1:16 This does

Re: [Freeswitch-users] FS Slide deck?

2009-10-08 Thread Michael Collins
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Gabriel Gunderson g...@gundy.org wrote: Hey all, The 3rd annual UTOSC (Utah Open Source Conference) [1] starts today. It's a conference that gives Open Source users/hackers a chance gather together to mingle and share. It's a lot of fun. Anyway, this year

Re: [Freeswitch-users] gateway FS informs it's client FS about users hanged up with a long delay

2009-10-08 Thread Michael Collins
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Maciej Aniserowicz maciej.aniserow...@gmail.com wrote: Both of the instances are run on the same machine, i just changed the default ports they use. Can anything else cause this strange behavior? MA Did a packet capture yield any clues? That is, were you

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Georgiewskiy Yuriy
On 2009-10-08 19:53 +0300, Vlasis Hatzistavrou (KTI) wrote freeswitch-users...: VHKGeorgiewskiy Yuriy wrote: VHK On 2009-10-08 10:43 -0500, Anthony Minessale wrote freeswitch-us...@lists.f...: VHK VHK AMIf you are going to make that alternate module are you going to host it in VHK AMthe FS

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Anthony Minessale
hmm, not following that very well. FS RTP stack only sends and receives and has no understanding of encode/decode.. mod_opal uses OPAL rtp stack. 2009/10/8 Georgiewskiy Yuriy bottle...@icf.org.ru On 2009-10-08 19:53 +0300, Vlasis Hatzistavrou (KTI) wrote freeswitch-users...:

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Georgiewskiy Yuriy
On 2009-10-08 12:12 -0500, Anthony Minessale wrote freeswitch-us...@lists.f...: AMhmm, not following that very well. AMFS RTP stack only sends and receives and has no understanding of AMencode/decode.. hmm, give me some example how to use fs stack, or link there i can read about this. AM

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Georgiewskiy Yuriy
On 2009-10-08 13:25 -0400, Tuyan ?zipek wrote freeswitch-us...@lists.freesw...: TzHi, Tz Tz2009/10/8 Georgiewskiy Yuriy bottle...@icf.org.ru: Tz On 2009-10-08 10:43 -0500, Anthony Minessale wrote freeswitch-us...@lists.f...: Tz Tz AMIf you are going to make that alternate module are you going to

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Tihomir Culjaga
Hi Yuriy, can you share what you have so far, I'm sure we can help with RTP part... T. 2009/10/8 Georgiewskiy Yuriy bottle...@icf.org.ru On 2009-10-08 13:25 -0400, Tuyan ?zipek wrote freeswitch-us...@lists.freesw...: TzHi, Tz Tz2009/10/8 Georgiewskiy Yuriy bottle...@icf.org.ru: Tz On

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Problem with gateway registration

2009-10-08 Thread Michael Collins
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Nicolas Brenner nico...@medularis.comwrote: You are missing the point, it is only rejecting auth for FS, Asterisk and X-Lite work fine with the same config for that gateway. Did you figure this one out yet? If not, snag some SIP captures of working vs.

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Georgiewskiy Yuriy
On 2009-10-08 20:32 +0200, Tihomir Culjaga wrote freeswitch-us...@lists.fre...: TCHi Yuriy, TC TCcan you share what you have so far, I'm sure we can help with RTP part... I think there is a few days and i make it work, after this i start to test and share it. TC TCT. TC TC2009/10/8

Re: [Freeswitch-users] FS Slide deck?

2009-10-08 Thread Gabriel Gunderson
Naturally the wireless is jacked at the conf. It's no match for the 100's of geeks sporting laptops. Thanks for the link. Looks like we'll be shooting from the hip. :) From my phone, Gabe On Thursday, October 8, 2009, Michael Collins m...@freeswitch.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 7:42

[Freeswitch-users] REMINDER: Weekly FreeSWITCH Conference Scheduled for October 9, 11AM CST (GMT -6)

2009-10-08 Thread Michael Collins
Just a friendly reminder that we will be having the weekly FreeSWITCH conference call tomorrow, October 9th, at 11AM Central. The agenda is updated: http://bit.ly/lzEYy The conference lasts for six hours, so feel free to dial in at any time. We usually start going over the agenda about 15 minutes

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_opal - call charged before H.225 connect

2009-10-08 Thread Tihomir Culjaga
k 2009/10/8 Georgiewskiy Yuriy bottle...@icf.org.ru On 2009-10-08 20:32 +0200, Tihomir Culjaga wrote freeswitch-us...@lists.fre...: TCHi Yuriy, TC TCcan you share what you have so far, I'm sure we can help with RTP part... I think there is a few days and i make it work, after this i

[Freeswitch-users] freeswitch distributed

2009-10-08 Thread Vladimir Elizarov
I want to make freeswitch distributed in such a situation. Several offices in each of fs. We need a unified dialplan, a single entrance/exit on the SIP external gateways, in the case of unavailability of one of the fs others work without his participation. How to understand. It should be the

Re: [Freeswitch-users] How to limit the number of incoming+outgoing calls via specific gateway?

2009-10-08 Thread Dmitry Bely
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:52 AM, SP spr...@gmail.com wrote: did you use the application limit on the inbound call?  You'll need to in order to account for it. Can you provide more detail? I have DID and gateway extension name=public_did condition field=destination_number

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Changing callerid before/after call pickup

2009-10-08 Thread Michael Collins
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Klaus Hochlehnert maili...@kh-dev.dewrote: Hi, currently I'm playing around with call pickup and Snom phones. I'm using the intercept function for that. My problem is now that after the call pickup (which works fine) I don't see the caller id of the original

Re: [Freeswitch-users] freeswitch distributed

2009-10-08 Thread Michael Collins
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Vladimir Elizarov xengelpubl...@gmail.comwrote: I want to make freeswitch distributed in such a situation. Several offices in each of fs. We need a unified dialplan, a single entrance/exit on the SIP external gateways, in the case of unavailability of one of

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Changing callerid before/after call pickup

2009-10-08 Thread Michael Collins
Also, I failed to mention two things: #1 - Please don't hijack threads. :) #2 - Update to the latest SVN and try again. You might be pleasantly surprised. -MC On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Klaus Hochlehnert maili...@kh-dev.dewrote: Hi, currently I'm playing around with call pickup and

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Changing callerid before/after call pickup

2009-10-08 Thread Klaus Hochlehnert
Sorry for hijacking. Didn't know that the mailing list system finds out about that... ;-) Will do the update in the next days and try again. Today I tried with the command send_display. This workaround currently works for me. Thanks, Klaus From: freeswitch-users-boun...@lists.freeswitch.org

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Changing callerid before/after call pickup

2009-10-08 Thread Brian West
If you're starting a new topic/thread please click new message. If you click reply, delete the subject and body and change it.. the thread is now hijacked. /b On Oct 8, 2009, at 6:23 PM, Klaus Hochlehnert wrote: Sorry for hijacking. Didn’t know that the mailing list system finds out

[Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Update: Valet Parking

2009-10-08 Thread Michael Collins
FYI, The FreeSWITCH devs have added valet parking! Check it out: http://www.freeswitch.org/node/207 Let us know what you think. Thanks, Michael ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org

[Freeswitch-users] Heartbeat question

2009-10-08 Thread Diego Viola
Hi everyone, I have a question about FreeSWITCH heartbeat, I have this on my dialplan: extension name=test condition field=destination_number expression=^8084$ action application=answer/ action application=enable_heartbeat data=1/ /condition /extension But when I do event plain all I see the

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Heartbeat question

2009-10-08 Thread Diego Viola
I want it to fire every 1 second... On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Diego Viola diego.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a question about FreeSWITCH heartbeat, I have this on my dialplan: extension name=test condition field=destination_number expression=^8084$ action

[Freeswitch-users] mod_fax compile fails

2009-10-08 Thread Mark Campbell-Smith
HI all, I just tried to update to the latest svn and I get these errors right at the end after issuing a 'make current'. I am using Debian Lenny. making all mod_fax make[5]: Entering directory `/home/mark/freeswitch/src/mod/applications/mod_fax' make[6]: Entering directory

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Heartbeat question

2009-10-08 Thread William Suffill
Why do you need it every second? If you want real time channel counts you would be able to track each create/destroy even instead of relying on the heartbeat summary. -- W ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org

[Freeswitch-users] Questions regarding to mod_nibble

2009-10-08 Thread Ahmed Munir
I want to ask three questions related to mod_nibble bills, as I'm listing down below; 1- Can we select/use dynamic tables for billing using nibble bill? 2- Can we define more than two tables and attributes in nibblebill.conf.xml? 3- As Nibble bill is use to deduct amount of user account, Can we

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_fax compile fails

2009-10-08 Thread Rob Forman
I had that issue too where make current failed on mod_fax (under libs/ tiff). And yeah, it caused a problem where a bunch of modules wouldn't load. You'll want to get it resolved before installing. I ended up moving the existing source aside and re-checked out the trunk, which compiled

Re: [Freeswitch-users] FreeSWITCH Update: Valet Parking

2009-10-08 Thread Hadley Rich
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 18:42 -0700, Michael Collins wrote: FYI, The FreeSWITCH devs have added valet parking! Check it out: http://www.freeswitch.org/node/207 Let us know what you think. I think it's awesome. Love your work as always guys. hads -- http://nicegear.co.nz New Zealand's

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Heartbeat question

2009-10-08 Thread Michael Collins
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Diego Viola diego.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have a question about FreeSWITCH heartbeat, I have this on my dialplan: extension name=test condition field=destination_number expression=^8084$ action application=answer/ action

Re: [Freeswitch-users] FS Slide deck?

2009-10-08 Thread Gabriel Gunderson
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Michael Collins m...@freeswitch.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Gabriel Gunderson g...@gundy.org wrote: Naturally the wireless is jacked at the conf.  It's no match for the 100's of geeks sporting laptops.  Thanks for the link. Looks like we'll be

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Heartbeat question

2009-10-08 Thread Diego Viola
Yes, I have called to my extension and saw this: 2009-10-09 01:25:44.820677 [INFO] switch_core_session.c:1041 sofia/internal/ 1...@192.168.0.2 setting session heartbeat to 1 second(s). But I still see the heartbeat events being fired after 20 seconds... I have made this script that tells me the

Re: [Freeswitch-users] Heartbeat question

2009-10-08 Thread Diego Viola
Nope, I was just wondering why it didn't work at 1 second exactly... On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:36 AM, William Suffill william.suff...@gmail.comwrote: Why do you need it every second? If you want real time channel counts you would be able to track each create/destroy even instead of relying on

Re: [Freeswitch-users] mod_fax compile fails

2009-10-08 Thread Mark Campbell-Smith
Thanks Rob, Is this a fault in the svn update process? if so, should/has it been bug reported? On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Rob Forman rob4manh...@gmail.com wrote: I had that issue too where make current failed on mod_fax (under libs/ tiff).  And yeah, it caused a problem where a bunch of