Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

2008-10-07 Thread John F. Kennison
I would like to respond to Wittgenstein's idea that a mathematical proof should be called an invention rather than a discovery. When solving a Suduko puzzle, I often produce a logical deduction that the solution is unique. It seems clear to me that I discovered that there is only one

Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

2008-10-07 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake John F. Kennison circa 10/07/2008 10:01 AM: I would like to respond to Wittgenstein's idea that a mathematical proof should be called an invention rather than a discovery. When solving a Suduko puzzle, I often produce a logical deduction that the solution is unique. It seems clear

Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

2008-10-07 Thread Phil Henshaw
Or. another angle. Proofs represent discoveries about the invented grammar they use, with the proviso of so far as we can see? The way we define grammars changes to suite our intentions occasionally, but we're generally trying to identify things inherent in nature, for grammars drawn as

Re: [FRIAM] government hierarchy (was Re: Willful Ignorance)

2008-10-07 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Phil Henshaw circa 10/07/2008 12:15 PM: Well, the reliance on competence is relative to the difficulty of the task. As our world explodes with new connections and complexity that's sort of in doubt, isn't it? Isn't Taleb's observation that when you have increasingly complex

Re: [FRIAM] Wittgenstein

2008-10-07 Thread John F. Kennison
Glen, You have made some interesting points. I don't deny that forming a proof involves invention and symbol manipulation. I also agree that mathematical truth is different from scientific truth. I now think the core question is whether a proof, according to the usual rules of symbol

[FRIAM] FW: sfx News: Three Tuesdays Tomorrow Night Instead

2008-10-07 Thread Nicholas Thompson
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