[FRIAM] Physics and philosophy

2009-12-14 Thread Robert Holmes
This one's for Nick http://xkcd.com/675/ -- R FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Re: [FRIAM] Physics and philosophy

2009-12-14 Thread Douglas Roberts
Well played. --Doug On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Robert Holmes rob...@holmesacosta.comwrote: This one's for Nick http://xkcd.com/675/ -- R FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's

[FRIAM] Physics and Philosophy

2009-12-14 Thread plissaman
Yuss, and the really depressing thing about Physics is that people can prove you're wrong Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for. 1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA tel:(505)983-7728 - Original

Re: [FRIAM] Physics and Philosophy

2009-12-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Enough of this triumphalism of the hard scientists! Everything I learned about physics i learned at the feet of members of this list. if there are incongruities in what you taught me, you have only yourself to blame. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and

[FRIAM] Turbulence Around Heat Transport

2009-12-14 Thread Roger Critchlow
Okay, this one is for Nick, too, in his guise as a weather geek. NASA Earth Observatory picked up the press release for this: http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/view.php?id=41646src=eorss-manews But it turns out that the New Journal of Physics is open sourced, so you can go read the

[FRIAM] Physics and Philosophy

2009-12-14 Thread plissaman
Yuss, and the really depressing thing about Physics is that people can prove you're wrong Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for. 1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA tel:(505)983-7728 - Original

Re: [FRIAM] Turbulence Around Heat Transport

2009-12-14 Thread Russ Abbott
What struck me as strange and disappointing (although since I'm really not able to read the scientific details I may have missed it) was the lack of any discussion of the presumed underlying model. As I understand it the experiment showed that heat is transported between the hot and cold gases at

[FRIAM] Thurston: On Proof and progress

2009-12-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Dear Friammers, We have decided to carry on from our seminar on Emergence to one on Mathematical Thinking. Although we don't meet for a month, I found myself reading the first assignment, Thurston's On Proof and Progress in Mathematics. Now Thurston loves mathematics and is apparently good

Re: [FRIAM] Thurston: On Proof and progress

2009-12-14 Thread Russ Abbott
Quite flattering to us programmers. (Here's the actual article.http://www.ams.org/bull/1994-30-02/S0273-0979-1994-00502-6/S0273-0979-1994-00502-6.pdf) My experience, though, is that programming is easier. (I was a mediocre math major as an undergraduate and then found computer science, something I

Re: [FRIAM] Thurston: On Proof and progress

2009-12-14 Thread Saul Caganoff
Programming is much easier because much of it is a process of trial and error. You can generate any old crap (many programmers do) and gradually refine it by successively throwing it at: a) a compiler, b) a set of unit tests (written by yourself) c) a set of system tests d) a set of

Re: [FRIAM] Thurston: On Proof and progress

2009-12-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Careful, here, everybody. I don't want to be party to a misrepresentation of Thurston's point. It is not that maths is easier that computer programming or that computer programmers are more rigorous than mathematicians. It is that the heart of mathematical proof is not in its rigor. Rigor