Re: [FRIAM] Thurston: On Proof and progress

2009-12-15 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
By these criterion, Psychology is the King of the Sciences. Nick knows full well, but many Friammers would be surprised how much effort psychologists put into projects that are 'not even close' to formally correct! Eric On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 12:43 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net

Re: [FRIAM] Thurston: On Proof and progress

2009-12-15 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Saul Caganoff wrote: Programming is much easier because much of it is a process of trial and error. You can generate any old crap (many programmers do) and gradually refine it by successively throwing it at: a) a compiler Yes, some of the rigor is now automated. That's progress.

Re: [FRIAM] Thurston: On Proof and progress

2009-12-15 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Nicholas Thompson circa 12/14/2009 09:43 PM: I wonder what you all think about it. It seems clear to me ... digression: for those that don't know, whenever someone says it seems clear to me, they are about to say something fragile and weak that can be shattered with the slightest

[FRIAM] royal society 350th

2009-12-15 Thread Roger Critchlow
Lot's of curl up in front of the fire reading in Philosophical Transactions of The Royal Society B: http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/365/1537.toc - Simon Levin Crossing scales, crossing disciplines: collective motion and collective action in the Global Commons - Martin A.

Re: [FRIAM] royal society 350th

2009-12-15 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Thanks for this pointer, Roger. On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: Lot's of curl up in front of the fire reading in Philosophical Transactions of The Royal Society B: http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/365/1537.toc Simon Levin Crossing scales, crossing

[FRIAM] A little Proof, Dr Thurston! It aint Elementary!

2009-12-15 Thread plissaman
Who the Hell is Dr. Thurston?  And how does he support his astonishing statement that mathematical proofs are easier than programming?  I can respond only with my own experience.  I was a mathematics scholar at the University of Cambridge (like Newton, but a little later).  My supervisor and

Re: [FRIAM] A little Proof, Dr Thurston! It aint Elementary!

2009-12-15 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
I think this is him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thurston Thanks Robert C plissa...@comcast.net wrote: Who the Hell is Dr. Thurston? And how does he support his astonishing statement that mathematical proofs are easier than programming? I can respond only with my own experience.

Re: [FRIAM] Thurston: On Proof and progress

2009-12-15 Thread Owen Densmore
I believe Thurston is referring to the formal syntax of the computer languages he is using: there is no ambiguity .. even to the point of having syntax rules, generally in BNF (Backus–Naur Form). And at the time of his writing the article, he was likely using Algol, a rather advanced and

Re: [FRIAM] A little Proof, Dr Thurston! It aint Elementary!

2009-12-15 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 12/15/09 12:27 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote: I think this is him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thurston The essay that Russ mentioned only mentions programming in passing.. He doesn't say anything about it relative to `intellectual challenge', but he does talk a lot about what is

Re: [FRIAM] A little Proof, Dr Thurston! It aint Elementary!

2009-12-15 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Robert, thanks for the additional quotations. However, you made a slip of the fingers when you keyed in one of the passages. To head off needless controversy, I key it in correctly below. The capitalized word is where the slipup occured. Mathematics as we practice it is much MORE

[FRIAM] Neuroscience + Quantum Physics = NeuroQuantology

2009-12-15 Thread Mikhail Gorelkin
http://www.neuroquantology.com/journal/index.php/nq/index --Mikhail FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org

Re: [FRIAM] A little Proof, Dr Thurston! It aint Elementary!

2009-12-15 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 12/15/09 2:10 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: However, you made a slip of the fingers when you keyed in one of the passages. To head off needless controversy, I key it in correctly below. The capitalized word is where the slipup occured. Sorry about that, I need a compiler to throw my

[FRIAM] A Deluge of Data Shapes a New Era in Computing

2009-12-15 Thread Tom Johnson
An interesting book review: A Deluge of Data Shapes a New Era in Computing By JOHN MARKOFFhttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/john_markoff/index.html?inline=nyt-per Published: December 14, 2009 In a speech given just a few weeks before he was lost at sea off the