[FRIAM] Woodrow C Monte, PhD, Emiritus Prof. Nutrition gives many PDFs of reseach -- methanol (11% of aspartame) puts formaldehyde into brain and body -- multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, cancers, birt

2010-05-14 Thread Rich Murray
Woodrow C Monte, PhD, Emiritus Prof. Nutrition gives many PDFs of reseach -- methanol (11% of aspartame) puts formaldehyde into brain and body -- multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, cancers, birth defects, headaches: Rich Murray 2010.05.13 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010_05_01_archive.htm

Re: [FRIAM] What you can do.

2010-05-14 Thread sarbajit roy
Dear Group, As a non-US member I also find this interesting. As an ordinary citizen who has personally argued and won some cases before the Supreme Court of my country (India) on Free Speech issues (one coincidentally involving large corporations and television broadcasting), I was actually

Re: [FRIAM] What you can do.

2010-05-14 Thread jpgirard
And if you're local Santa Fe, you can come discussthis and other recent politically oriented FRIAM postings in person! Tomorrow (Saturday the 15th), over beers, at 2nd Street Brewery in the Railyard. 6:30 pm. www.drinkingliberally.org Original Message Subject: [FRIAM] What you

Re: [FRIAM] What you can do.

2010-05-14 Thread Merle Lefkoff
merle lefkoff wrote: Sarbajit misses the boat completely. The reason that the government may not suppress that speech altogether is because under U.S. law corporations have the same rights as people. This is the problem, because corporations are NOT by any stretch of the imagination a

Re: [FRIAM] What you can do.

2010-05-14 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Merle Lefkoff wrote: Count me in Jim. Save me a seat (the Madrona Institute office is across the street). Has Friam turned into a drinking club? jpgir...@thinkingmetal.com wrote: And if you're local Santa Fe, you can come discuss this and other recent politically oriented FRIAM postings

Re: [FRIAM] What you can do.

2010-05-14 Thread Chris Feola
Actually, Sarbajit is quite on point. If you read the decision you will see that one reason the law was struck down was it tried to get around its obvious violation of the 1st Amendment by carving out an exemption for media since the press is, largely, corporate. Overturning this decision

Re: [FRIAM] What you can do.

2010-05-14 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Actually Chris, I think you are also missing the boat by focusing on the technicalities of a legal argument most of us would have to pay someone to help us with. So see this quote: Justice Stevens, in dissent, was compelled to state the obvious: /. . . . corporations have no consciences,

Re: [FRIAM] What you can do.

2010-05-14 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Non-expert opinions to follow: I too think this issue is fairly nuanced. In particular I am startled in the quote Chris supplied that journalists would be surprised to find they work for corporations. I think the straightforward reading of the first amendment is that people have the right to

Re: [FRIAM] What can 'you' do?

2010-05-14 Thread Carl Tollander
The choice is both and neither, as they are false choices. You have conflated 'media', 'person', 'corporation', and 'forum'. Congress may very well restrict media, for example, I may take it as my freedom of expression to jam some competing media channel with noise, or stray outside my FCC

Re: [FRIAM] What you can do.

2010-05-14 Thread Chris Feola
No problem, Robert-help me into the boat. Who is press? Who isn't? Who decides? cjf Christopher J. Feola President, nextPression Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/cjfeola From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Robert J. Cordingley Sent:

Re: [FRIAM] What you can do.

2010-05-14 Thread sarbajit roy
Thanks The way I understand it (and this is common in both our democracies) is 1) Citizens have a Fundamental ( inalienable) right to freedom of Speech and Expression. 2) It is trite to say (and legally well settled) that this right is predicate upon the right to Freedom of Information. ie. a

Re: [FRIAM] What you can do.

2010-05-14 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Perhaps this helps: http://movetoamend.org/learn-more the source of the Justice Stevens quote. BTW, in the face of declining investigative journalism in the US there has been some talk of government sponsored news media in much the same way PBS has some public funding but with a legal mandate