Re: [FRIAM] NASA-Funded Research Discovers Life Built With ToxicChemical

2010-12-06 Thread Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky
Hey Guys, just what is going on with Nasa? I thought that we had some bacteria 2 decades back that could purify copper and was extremely ready for marketing, even a stock offering. Did that not have the ability to handle arsenic? I recall a mountain of ore being processed with bacteria and

Re: [FRIAM] NASA-Funded Research Discovers Life Built With Toxic Chemical

2010-12-06 Thread Douglas Roberts
Sounds like an extremely toxic research environment. Poisonous reviews... On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: > Ah, a microbiologist rips the NASA research: > > > http://rrresearch.blogspot.com/2010/12/arsenic-associated-bacteria-nasas.html > > finding lots of places where t

Re: [FRIAM] NASA-Funded Research Discovers Life Built With Toxic Chemical

2010-12-06 Thread Roger Critchlow
Ah, a microbiologist rips the NASA research: http://rrresearch.blogspot.com/2010/12/arsenic-associated-bacteria-nasas.html finding lots of places where they didn't do (or didn't report the results of) additional experimental work she would have sent any graduate student back to the lab to do. <

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Douglas Roberts
Independent. On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Nicholas Thompson < nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Owen n all, > > For me, in the age of Fox news and media consolidation, the benefit of the > doubt goes to Wikileaks. > > Oh, and, by the way: As of Obama's announcement today, I am trolling fo

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Owen n all, For me, in the age of Fox news and media consolidation, the benefit of the doubt goes to Wikileaks. Oh, and, by the way: As of Obama's announcement today, I am trolling for a third party. Any suggestions? Nick -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mail

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Owen Densmore
On Dec 6, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Robert Holmes wrote: > This is an interesting and—IMHO—nicely balanced piece. It's all shades of > grey, man -- R > > http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2010/12/wikileaks-and-the-long-haul/ Hard to argue with Clay's point that a balance of power, with clear and just laws,

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Steve Smith
Russell - I forgot to mention... I've been using Collecta to monitor the real-time traffic since about 9PM GMT-7 on the topic and have a dozen or so data points which are roughly linear... I suppose I might have been the only one tracking at that level... And when I say linear, I often sus

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 09:16:03PM -0700, Steve Smith wrote: > On 12/6/10 6:21 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > >Doug: I've asked the Berkman Center to include a risk assessment for our > >helping out via the mirroring stunt you posted. Note the mirror list is > >growing fast: > > Wikileaks is cur

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Steve Smith
On 12/6/10 6:21 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: Doug: I've asked the Berkman Center to include a risk assessment for our helping out via the mirroring stunt you posted. Note the mirror list is growing fast: Wikileaks is currently mirrored on 729 sites (updated 2010-12-06 22:32 GMT) I'm surprise

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Robert Holmes
This is an interesting and—IMHO—nicely balanced piece. It's all shades of grey, man -- R http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2010/12/wikileaks-and-the-long-haul/ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Douglas Roberts
That's cool, Owen. The US continues to strive, with some success, to make itself out as a nation of idiots/cowards/and/or sheep in the eyes of the rest of the world. Thankfully, there are enough active mirrors to essentially guarantee that the WikiLeaks material won't be lost. --Doug On Mon, De

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Owen Densmore
Doug: I've asked the Berkman Center to include a risk assessment for our helping out via the mirroring stunt you posted. Note the mirror list is growing fast: Wikileaks is currently mirrored on 729 sites (updated 2010-12-06 22:32 GMT) -- Owen On Dec 6, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Douglas Rober

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Owen Densmore
The Berkman Center for Internet & Society is going to have Larry Lessig and Jonathan Zittrain moderate a discussion .. see more here: http://goo.gl/VFoV9 Feel free to add a topic to the discussion via the url above .. either as a comment or on their twitter account listed there. -- Owen ==

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
G Well, I guess, both are illusions. n From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of James Steiner Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 5:30 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Co

Re: [FRIAM] Peer review

2010-12-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Russell, Oh, well! I couldn't' agree more: the reviewers who were recruited to read MY stuff were alsoall idiots and brigands. A stand standard review package consisted of "REVIEWER A: This is the worst piece of outdated trash I have read in the last ten years. Where has this author been f

Re: [FRIAM] pond scum update

2010-12-06 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Russell Standish wrote circa 10-12-04 06:24 PM: > 3gp is a low-res MPEG4 format used by 3G phones for sending videos > between each (eg via MMS). MPlayer (used by most Linux media players) > has no problems figuring out how to play it - its a little more tricky > to generate the format from say a r

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread James Steiner
Ah, the fatal attraction of privilege: the illusion that as long as NOBODY gives a ff what *you* do, everything is OK. That's not directed at you, Nick, but I couldn't resist the parallel structure. ~~J On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Nicholas Thompson < nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Ahh

[FRIAM] Evaluating Expressions, part 7 – Tra nsactions and Exceptions

2010-12-06 Thread Dale Schumacher
I just posted the final piece of the meta-circular Humus evaluator. "Evaluating Expressions, part 7 – Transactions and Exceptions" (http://bit.ly/fl6Z3O) Throughout the series, I've had the opportunity to present a wide variety of powerful language constructs. Of course, concurrent evaluation/exe

Re: [FRIAM] Peer review

2010-12-06 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 03:27:19PM -0800, glen e. p. ropella wrote: > And when I see review comments to papers I'm a co-author on, they > usually contain constructive feedback. I do often have to sift through > prejudiced tangents or twist my mind to see their point of view in order > to get to th

Re: [FRIAM] Peer review

2010-12-06 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Russell Standish wrote circa 10-12-06 02:03 PM: > What you write is a good description of how it ought to be. Sadly, it > is not a description of how it is. Hm. I can accept that your experiences make you think that. My experiences make me think the opposite. Most of the scientists I know grudg

Re: [FRIAM] Peer review

2010-12-06 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 11:48:54AM -0800, glen e. p. ropella wrote: > Russell Standish wrote circa 10-12-04 02:31 PM: > > On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 10:18:26AM -0800, glen e. p. ropella wrote: > >> > >> to change, etc. So, they really do have to commit to work like this. > >> > > > > No scientist wi

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Russell Standish
Just for the interest, I thought I'd look into how I might do this. Technically, it'd be very easy - just create an FTP account on my hosted webservice, and set up the extra domain. The problem is that they would get me by the terms of service: "Personal accounts are to be used by the primary own

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Ah! The fatal attraction of paranoia. The illusion that ANYBODY gives a ff what I do. N From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:48 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subje

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Richard Lowenberg
The abundance of online discussions about WikiLeaks, has provoked me to recall a conversation I had with an individual at an 'Internetworking' meeting at the Carnegie Inst. in DC, in 1992.We met for the first time, and quickly shared our interest in 'information warfare'. Though he could

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Paul Paryski
There are those that say the leaks about the Saudis and other Arab states calling for military intervention in Iran were deliberate. But this being said, it is highly unlikely that WikiLeaks will change any policies. thanks, Paul -Original Message- From: Nicholas Thompson To: '

Re: [FRIAM] Peer review

2010-12-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Glen, Your description is pretty much a precise description of my reaction every time I got a paper for review. "What if nobody were willing to do this?" N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen e. p. ropella Sent: Mo

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I like the idea that wikileaks is a CIA plot. It screeches the mind to a halt. You can't even trust your distrust anymore. Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Paul Paryski Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 1:10 PM To: friam@redfish.co

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Douglas Roberts
^Like On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Nicholas Thompson < nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > I like the idea that wikileaks is a CIA plot. > > > > It screeches the mind to a halt. You can’t even trust your distrust > anymore. > > > > Nick > > > > *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Paul Paryski
In my opinion, based on personal observation, the political and economic system of the United States is quickly declining and darkly dystrophic as has been the case with all "empires". The information provided by WikiLeaks, although not at all surprising, and the reaction of the government to W

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Cor porate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread dcbill
Marcie at emptywheel.firedoglake.com addressed this earlier today - somehow no cable trunks ending in the Middle East on this list, nor in Africa (despite the new big cable going around the continent? Or the 4 cables going into Egypt that were accidentally cut to major outages last year?) All of

Re: [FRIAM] Peer review

2010-12-06 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Russell Standish wrote circa 10-12-04 02:31 PM: > On Fri, Dec 03, 2010 at 10:18:26AM -0800, glen e. p. ropella wrote: >> >> to change, etc. So, they really do have to commit to work like this. >> > > No scientist will do peer review for the sake of paying bills. Sorry, that was not my implicatio

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Douglas Roberts
I can't help but notice that the majority of our hard core FRIAM pontificators have remained silent on this one. I wonder why: Could it be that they're not not interested? The topic is not abstract enough? Afraid that Big Brother will hear them? Weren't aware of WikiLeaks? Over on another one

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Roger Critchlow
Why worry about gmail? Worry about the NSA backdoor that Intel added to the x86 microcode years ago, until you get tired, then go back to your regularly scheduled activities. -- rec -- On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > > BTW: one concern I've had lately is the large numbe

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Roger Critchlow
Well, that's the issue, isn't it? The people in the government justify secrecy by one standard and then use it for whatever they can get away with, and you can get away with a lot if no one is ever allowed to see what you've done. So they claim strenuously that exposing secrets will endanger peop

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Owen Densmore
I propose a beer conversation at cowgirl or second street soon to discuss this. I hope the beer is not bugged. BTW: one concern I've had lately is the large number of folks converting to gmail. What a target for the Feds! And just how much resistance would Google put up? Can you say Zero?

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Douglas Roberts
We should all be thankful that this exchange is occurring on FRIAM, rather than on Facebook. Else we would have endangered our job prospects. I'm not making this up: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/04/state-department-to-colum_n_792059.html?view=print Big Brother is watching. Be afraid,

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Douglas Roberts
In a similar vein, where, exactly, is the huge, classified secret regarding the revelation that blowing up the Ningbo port in south-eastern China will have a large negative impact on global trade. Or that taking out an anti-snake venom factory in Australia will have a significant impact on our abi

[FRIAM] Fwd: Announcing New DNS Service from AWS (Amazon Route 53)

2010-12-06 Thread Owen Densmore
Interesting: Amazon is now getting into the DNS server world (apparently not registrar, however). Love the pricing: $1.00 per month for the hosted zones you manage, $0.50 per million queries for the first billion queries, and $0.25 per million queries above a billion. I'd be curious just how m

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread James Steiner
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Scholand, Andrew J wrote: > In February 2009 the State Department asked all US missions abroad to list > all installations whose loss could critically affect US national security. > > The list includes pipelines, communication and transport hubs. > > Well, consider

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Scholand, Andrew J
Well, before you mirror Wikifreaks, you may want to read this from BBC News: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11923766: 'A long list of key facilities around the world that the US describes as vital to its national security has been released by Wikileaks. In February 2009 the State Dep

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Douglas Roberts
If you want to add your site to the (currently) 507 sites mirroring WikiLeaks, just follow the instructions here: http://www.wikileaks.ch/mass-mirror.html --Doug On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:15 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > > ... > > As usual, nicely

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Owen Densmore
On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:15 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > ... As usual, nicely thought out and articulated. For me its simple. I like WikiLeaks and the counter pressure they bring to bear. Not all corporations, politicians, militaries, labs, and so on are evil, but lately they've been throwing their po

Re: [FRIAM] boycotting Amazon

2010-12-06 Thread Bill Eldridge
Exactly why should we boycott a vendor when he's implementing what the public has agreed is a good thing, to bipartisan acclaim? So we've failed to get our preferences communicated to our elected representatives, so much so that "our guys" are implementing porn searches in airports, assisting cov

Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, etc.

2010-12-06 Thread Steve Smith
And my biggest bugaboo with conspiracy theorists... what if your favorite conspiracy theory is a conspiracy in itself? http://mycatbirdseat.com/2010/12/could-israel-be-using-wikileaks-to-prepare-us-for-air-strike-against-iran/ I hate to stir the pot more, but it is a credible question as to