Re: [FRIAM] Disenfranchised? Americans Elect?

2012-03-16 Thread glen
I don't think it would help me. An e-mail directly to me might make me feel like one of the cool kids. But my main concern is the sense that Americans Elect is a corporation, not a democratic process. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for corporations to the right purpose and context. But AECorp

Re: [FRIAM] Disenfranchised? Americans Elect?

2012-03-16 Thread Douglas Roberts
This article sums up my feelings on the subject: http://www.cnbc.com/id/46692982 --Doug On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote: I don't think it would help me. An e-mail directly to me might make me feel like one of the cool kids. But my main concern is the sense

Re: [FRIAM] FW: See this?

2012-03-16 Thread John Kennison
Yes, sometimes scientific theories resemble religions and vice-versa and sometimes the debate on how genes evolve looks a bit like a battle between competing religions. I would disagree with principles (1) and (2): As for (1) I sometimes find that knowledge is transmitted via books or

Re: [FRIAM] Disenfranchised? Americans Elect?

2012-03-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Bad as things are, now, I fear that a third party, by any name, would further divide the non crazy vote. N From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:02 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee

Re: [FRIAM] Disenfranchised? Americans Elect?

2012-03-16 Thread Steve Smith
I share your (various) doubts about the people behind the AE process, but I *do* welcome the concept of a more open and engaged and egalitarian process for supporting existing politicians who are not insiders at the big show (e.g. Kucenich, Gary Johnson) and for maybe

Re: [FRIAM] FW: See this?

2012-03-16 Thread Sarbajit Roy
Lets take those points 1 by 1 1) Information is transmitted genetically. a) Instead of information being transmitted as am electronic series (string) of 0s and 1s (ie. base 2 encoding), its transmitted as a chemical series (string) of base 4 proteins, both series being readable. b) The

Re: [FRIAM] Disenfranchised? Americans Elect?

2012-03-16 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Steve Smith wrote at 03/16/2012 10:54 AM: But to be honest, the important question is what *would* be a better process/circumstance for all of this? Who *could* foster/muster something like this. I'd be equally (differently) scared if it were GoogleZon doing it... like Vote.Google.com ?

Re: [FRIAM] Disenfranchised? Americans Elect?

2012-03-16 Thread Gillian Densmore
I feer the only way to 'get things' done is to convert to a technocracyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracyand possible a parimenatarian one at that-but short of that--yeah my issue with AECorp is it isn't transparent-not that the democracts/repubs are but that'd be a start if possible-i'm

Re: [FRIAM] Disenfranchised? Americans Elect?

2012-03-16 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - I agree that winner-take-all system highly reinforces a (superficially) polarized 2-party circumstance... Gil - I used to be pro-Technocracy, but as a Technologist myself, I don't trust/believe in my own peers any more than than I do the *rest* of the unwashed masses. While I find

Re: [FRIAM] FW: See this?

2012-03-16 Thread John Kennison
Sarbajit, Thanks for the explanation. I was thinking of genes as hereditary units but I guess they can also refer to any chemical strings of a certain type. How about statement (2)? Can't we be more than the sum of our ancestors? --John From:

Re: [FRIAM] FW: See this?

2012-03-16 Thread Sarbajit Roy
John, wrt statement #2 IF our ancestors are contained within us AND live (on) in us, THEN all the information we have is in our ancestors too. {Life as an information / communication problem} Of course we can be more than the sum of our parents. The information is already out there in the

Re: [FRIAM] FW: See this?

2012-03-16 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Thanks, Sarbajit, One quibble: a child is the genetic sum of its parents If we are talking genetic tokens (as opposed to types), a child has half the genes of each of its parents. N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of