Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-04 Thread Sarbajit Roy
If I recall one of the (improbable) possibilities thrown up by Barrow Tipler was that as atoms vanish the human body would also vanish, be converted into an energy form, and that at the final point the ultimate purpose of life would be revealed as being to prevent the Universe from destroying

Re: [FRIAM] online privacy (again)

2012-04-04 Thread Sarbajit Roy
Turn off Javascript,.disable Java. In Firefox, Tools Options Content On 4/4/12, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: So. In short. Has everybody BUT me gone to some toggle in Google and in Firefox and in I.E. and done something like “turn off tracking”. Is the peril

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-04 Thread Arlo Barnes
Ah, one of my favorite authors, Arthur C. Clarke. Well, in 2012 the von Neumann machines were used to increase the density of Jupiter to fusion point, creating Lucifer, the solar system's second star, in order that the life on Europa might have a more stable source of heat to evolve in than the

[FRIAM] defeat vs surrender

2012-04-04 Thread peggy miller
I agree with a statement by Robert Lancaster that it is important to stand up against things you believe are serious infringements of basic rights .. like privacy. As he said, I think quoting Churchhill, losing the fight is only defeat, not fighting is surrender. Impossible odds can be just

Re: [FRIAM] online privacy (again)

2012-04-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Glen wrote: . But for average Joes, you're likely to be thrown in jail (without due process) whether you're engaging in criminal activity or not. You may happen to be hispanic in Arizona or black in Florida or gay in Texas or Muslim in Oregon. Whatever your attributes, some hub, somewhere

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I go back to the original question I asked Owen. Why are these fantasies INTERESTING?. Now, quickly, I have to admit, they don't capture my imagination that well. But I also have to admit that I firmly believe that NOBODY is interested in anything for nothing. IE, wherever there is an interest

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-04 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
There's a long lost Star Trek episode ' Run In With The Kardashians' on YouTube but I wouldn't go there - it should remain lost. The 'real' Cardassians are mentioned here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardassian. Their noses are gray. Now setting aside possible derogatory use of 'fantasies',

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-04 Thread Bruce Sherwood
Uh, does there have to be a reason? I'm interested just because I am -- a portion of trying to understand as much about the Universe we inhabit as is possible. To put it another way: Why are you interested in the details of the definition or use of induction? I found that discussion massively

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-04 Thread Douglas Roberts
Lilke On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Bruce Sherwood bruce.sherw...@gmail.comwrote: Uh, does there have to be a reason? I'm interested just because I am -- a portion of trying to understand as much about the Universe we inhabit as is possible. To put it another way: Why are you interested

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Doug You read me wrong. I found it uninteresting, but assumed that if it interested you there MUST b e a reason, and that if I knew the reason, I, too, would find it interesting. Where we seem to disagree is on one of my most fundatmental ideas: if somebody finds something interesting,

Re: [FRIAM] online privacy (again)

2012-04-04 Thread Arlo Barnes
I actually have not turned off such a switch. This is not because I am lazy or because I do not care about matters of privacy - on the contrary, I care a great deal that people have the law-guaranteed right to create, reveal, own, and trade/barter/buy/sell as much or as little data about or by

Re: [FRIAM] defeat vs surrender

2012-04-04 Thread Arlo Barnes
I would hope respect for the right to privacy is not a fringe extreme opinion. -Arlo James Barnes FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at

[FRIAM] Charlie Rose - E.O. Wilson

2012-04-04 Thread Owen Densmore
We've mentioned E.O. Wilson on the list, so I though I'd toss out a pointer to his recent Charlie Rose talk: http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12273 -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-04 Thread Douglas Roberts
Yes, well; I'm not entirely sure it works that way, at least not for me. It's either interesting, or it's not. Examining how other folks derive their fascinations just doesn't, you know, get my hormones flowing. --Doug On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Nicholas Thompson

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Fantasy is the sharp edge of creative thought. Fantasy is proto-science. No pejorative intended. My question is NOT argumentative . or not meant to be. In a way, I have bet my whole career on such questions. Let me give you an example, which is sort of creepy, but, I think,