Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics

2012-06-13 Thread Bruce Sherwood
Okay, there are issues of definitions. I'll note that the upper atmosphere is bombarded by "cosmic rays" which in fact are mostly very high-energy protons originating outside our Solar System. Protons are of course the nuclei of hydrogen Bruce ==

Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics

2012-06-13 Thread Steve Smith
What means "atmosphere" anyway?   For the purposes of this discussion, I have been assuming "Troposphere" which is roughly where most "interesting" phenomena happens... like human habitation, most "life", most of what we call "weather", etc.   The "Stratosphere" is also i

Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics

2012-06-13 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
And here's some (scary?) data on atmospheric CO2 trends which do not showing a constant concentration with time. http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/#mlo Annual fluctuations observed at Mauna Lao, Hawaii at 3500m are reported to be due to vegetation cycles suggesting something about atm

[FRIAM] tornado

2012-06-13 Thread Roger Critchlow
Fabio Carerra reports the second tornado of his life in his neighborhood of Venice, with a picture album. http://venice2point0.blogspot.com/2012/06/retornado.html -- rec -- FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30

Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics

2012-06-13 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
You can start reading lots about our Atmosphere at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_atmosphere At some point the article mentions that the troposphere (layer) is of uniform composition (but for water) and the exosphere is mainly hydrogen and helium. The latter is higher than the space

Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics

2012-06-13 Thread Greg Sonnenfeld
You are correct, the air at the topmost level of the atmosphere, the exosphere, is primarily composed of hydrogen. This hydrogen most likely comes from decomposition of atmospheric water into hydrogen and oxygen. You're also right that there is a gradient of gasses as you move from sea level to sp

Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics

2012-06-13 Thread Bruce Sherwood
Huh? That makes no sense. Moreover, there is NO hydrogen or helium in our atmosphere. Any that we might have once had is long gone. Given the very large average height and correspondingly high average speed (and much higher speed in the high-speed tail of the distribution), these very-low-mass spec

Re: [FRIAM] atmospherics

2012-06-13 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
As, oddly, no one seems to have mentioned it yet... I'm pretty sure that air does separate. Am I wrong to think that "air" at a high enough altitude is mostly hydrogen? So the question is not what keeps it from separating, but what keeps it from separating more fully... right? Eric On Wed, Jun

[FRIAM] atmospherics

2012-06-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Thanks, everybody. I realize that most of you have day jobs and don't have time to be teachers in my self-designed Elder-Hostel Education program, but if you do have a moment, could you answer the following questions? In these questions, the words "cool" and "warm" will have a technical