Re: [FRIAM] Belief in The Singularity is Fideistic

2013-05-17 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Steve Smith wrote at 05/16/2013 04:40 PM: What I'm talking about is the (as yet to be identified in quality?) human experience of accelerated technology. [...] The (much) softer version involves who do we become as we assimilate or become assimilated by these new technologies?. Interesting.

Re: [FRIAM] Belief in The Singularity is Fideistic

2013-05-17 Thread Grant Holland
Glen, Steve, Glen's latest retort on this thread (see below) gave me this thought: It would be interesting if you guys could offer an (admittedly oversimplified) analytical model of your best guesses on what the productivity function and the acceleration function (2nd derivative of the

Re: [FRIAM] Belief in The Singularity is Fideistic

2013-05-17 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Great idea! I actually think an accurate approximation would involve an impredicative hierarchical model. I don't think one can isolate technology from the humans that create it. But absent the time to put that together, I'll go with something like: { 1/(1+e^-(h-h_o)), h near h_o

Re: [FRIAM] Belief in The Singularity is Fideistic

2013-05-17 Thread Grant Holland
Glen, That's very good! And it captures the kind of hypolinearity that you I think you have been suggesting. Looks like to me that your p(h) function's sensitivity to human population size is well-considered. If I understand your parameter constants h_o and h_f correctly, then I believe the

Re: [FRIAM] Belief in The Singularity is Fideistic

2013-05-17 Thread Arlo Barnes
[Edit: ninja'd by Glen Grant since I got distracted by explaining the Zooniverse https://www.zooniverse.org/ to my science teacher] I think the distinction between singularists and technologists more generally is how their function curves; the singularity being a cultural asymptote, requiring a

Re: [FRIAM] Belief in The Singularity is Fideistic

2013-05-17 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Damn it Grant. Why do responses to you not go to the list by default? ;-) Grant Holland wrote at 05/17/2013 02:41 PM: Looks like to me that your p(h) function's sensitivity to human population size is well-considered. If I understand your parameter constants h_o and h_f correctly, then I

[FRIAM] digital divide closing?

2013-05-17 Thread Gillian Densmore
The long made short is looking at a summer and fall period without school- I am interested to know if there are organizations that might need help who are in the business of closing that thing called the digital divide- so here I am pinging the smart folks at FRIAM: Hello smart folks at FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] Belief in The Singularity is Fideistic

2013-05-17 Thread Grant Holland
Glen, Thanks for that. That makes your p(h) function very much more interesting than what I had surmised. Depending on the value of h, acceleration can be either positive or negative - as can be inferred from your derivatives. So both cases get covered. Does Steve's position also get

Re: [FRIAM] Belief in The Singularity is Fideistic

2013-05-17 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Grant Holland wrote at 05/17/2013 03:28 PM: Does Steve's position also get included under the right conditions? I think so. If the first mode were sharp enough 1/(1+e^(-t*(h-h_o))), where t 1 (t for threshold), then when h is just below h_o, the perceived acceleration of tech would seem