On 1/9/14 6:59 PM, glen wrote:
If it turns out to be necessarily the case that rich people rule the
world, then more refined questions would revolve around how to govern
the behavior of the rich people.
I'm told that in some countries like Sri Lanka, money comes with power,
rather than power wit
Ok. Great. Where would you like to start?
N
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Clark University
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Glen/Marcus/Nick sed:
"He who has the gold rules"
Yeah. I can't go along with that.
I wonder how you and I might have an rational discussion of our
difference?
Is Glen's quote above his belief ("He who has the gold _ought_ to
rule") or an proposition he is making about who ends up ruling in
Glen, my good friend -
[...]
but most card-carrying Libertarians *would* risk personally assasinating
an innocent person or being party to a lynchmob who did the same... and
*that* is why I can't "hang" with them. Revenge might be sweet, but it
is not Justice and often lowers everyone to the lo
On 01/09/2014 05:01 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
> On 1/9/14, 5:34 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
>> Glen wrote:
>>
>> "He who has the gold rules"
>>
>> Yeah. I can't go along with that.
>>
>> I wonder how you and I might have an rational discussion of our
>> difference?
> Is Glen's quote above his beli
On 1/9/14, 5:34 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
Glen wrote:
"He who has the gold rules"
Yeah. I can't go along with that.
I wonder how you and I might have an rational discussion of our difference?
Is Glen's quote above his belief ("He who has the gold _ought_ to rule")
or an proposition he is maki
On 01/09/2014 04:34 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> I wonder how you and I might have an rational discussion of our difference?
> But then come to think of it, why would a libertarian WANT to have a rational
> discussion with somebody he disagrees with? That's not a rhetorical
> question.
A liber
Glen wrote:
"He who has the gold rules"
Yeah. I can't go along with that.
I wonder how you and I might have an rational discussion of our difference?
But then come to think of it, why would a libertarian WANT to have a rational
discussion with somebody he disagrees with? That's not a rhet
Marcus,
I am too cheap to go behind the paywall, and so do not know how to evaluate
the paper, since I have no idea how they judged Liberal vs Conservative.
I am "conservative" because I am inclined to slow the pace of economic
development and hold social and political values of a philosopher who
On 01/09/2014 02:34 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
> [...]
> but most card-carrying Libertarians *would* risk personally assasinating
> an innocent person or being party to a lynchmob who did the same... and
> *that* is why I can't "hang" with them. Revenge might be sweet, but it
> is not Justice and oft
On 1/9/14, 3:51 PM, glen wrote:
In other words, a safety net doesn't go far enough. If all we're going
to do is provide a safety net, then we may as well do nothing at all.
And why one might have the contingency of nudging interesting folks
towards mercenary instincts, if there is reason to thi
On 01/09/2014 01:45 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
> [...] -- a safety net. That means
> taking at scale (i.e. taxing) and filling in the gaps around those that
> don't fit immediately within the economy & society where they find
> themselves. If one buy that there is anything of value to subject
Glen sed:
I would say that many liberals would be willing to risk a few murderers
and rapists be left on the loose to avoid hanging even *one* innocent
person, while most conservatives (and libertarians?) would be willing to
risk hanging a few innocent persons (as long as they don't look too
muc
On 1/9/14, 2:18 PM, glen wrote:
You not only have to be creative and _useful_. You also have to be
willing to kick @ss and TAKE your share ... even if you sometimes take
too much or too little.
This liberal's observation is that these are ordinary (i.e. boring) but
not universal capabilities.
I haven't yet read Gelernter's piece, though a friend sent it earlier, and I
glanced at it. I'm sorry he feels "bullied" by scientists, but science ain't
beanbag.
I'd also point out that Marvin Minsky's last book argues that feelings are very
much a part of intelligence. It's called "The Emotio
Extremely well said!
Also, referring to the sentence just prior: "Computers are information
machines. They transform one batch of information into another.
Computationalists often describe the mind as an 'information processor.'
But feelings are not information! Feelings are states of being."
Ou
On 01/09/2014 11:52 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
> On 01/08/2014 06:56 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
>>
>> Wouldn't be wonderful if one of the right wingers on the list would
>> agree to explore the foundations of this value difference.
>>
>
> I would say that many liberals would be willing to risk a few murd
On 1/9/14, 12:52 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
Certainly, I believe that *both* extrema of the left/right continua
would insist that the *other* extrema is *irrational*, and being
extremists, possibly *everyone* left/right of their position as well.
If the answer is "yes" or "no", those on the right w
Billy Goat Gruff -
Is that you tip tapping on my bridge with your cloven hooves?
Hi, John
Your first example, getting advice from a Ouija board because one
believes it to be Infallible illustrates the basic problem of the
triumphant declaration of our friam colleagues that right-wingers are
On 01/08/2014 07:40 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
> No sorry, no magic, I simply didn't spend the effort to find the arxiv
> entry. My bad.
Damn it. I was hoping you found a browser or email client plugin that
would do something like this:
Link automatically all the highlighted words with the syntax
"But feelings are /not/ information! Feelings are states of being. A
feeling (mild wistfulness, say, on a warm summer morning) has,
ordinarily, no information content at all. /Wistful/ is simply a way to
/be/.''
If there was no such state of being estimated in a transpersonal way
then there w
I would usually post this to wedtech but it has as much non-tech interest
as tech.
http://open.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/the-technology-behind-the-nytimes-com-redesign/?_r=0
Basically a blow by blow of the complete redesign of the NYTimes. Not
just "looks" but computer/web architecture, u
But even the placebo effect is a mechanistic medicine - one is still
delivering the 'package' into the body in order to introduce a chemical
change, the difference being that the mode of transport is an idea (wrapped
around a ball of sugar) rather than a pill. The (somewhat tentative)
explanation f
Great post!
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> David Gelernter's attack on materialist chutzpah:
>
>
> http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-closing-of-the-scientific-mind/
>
> -- rec --
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Rich Murray wrote:
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>>
>>
On Tue, Jan 07, 2014 at 09:03:28PM -0800, Rich Murray wrote:
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>
> *The scientific creed *
>
> Here are the ten core beliefs that most scientists take for granted.
>
> 1. Everything is essentially mechanical. Dogs, for example, are complex
> mechanisms, rather than living organisms with goal
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 11:07:29AM -0700, Nick Thompson wrote:
>
>
> 5. I wonder how Nagel comes down on the mental life of animals. There is
> no doubt in my mind that every animal has a point of view. (In fact, I
> guess I think every system has a point of view.) But I suspect, in order to
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