Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-03 Thread Arlo Barnes
Perhaps apropos to this thread, perhaps not, is the following piece by Paul Graham (who you may know as that guy who says inflammatory things and clarifies them later, or that guy who worked at Yahoo!); the piece itself covers a larger scope, but part of it seems relevant to 'the role of mathematic

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-03 Thread Merle Lefkoff
I commented, and I'm utterly somebody, dear Pamela. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > Utterly nobody in FRIAM thought my question about the shift from > government led innovation to private sector led innovation was interesting > enough to comment on (even to acknowledge

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: WhatsApp ... Death of SMS?

2014-03-03 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 12:28:44PM -0700, Nick Thompson wrote: > I am working on some sort of pun about a traffic jam on the Wheatstone > Bridge. I will get back to you all when I have it. > > > > N > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: WhatsApp ... Death of SMS?

2014-03-03 Thread glen
On 03/03/2014 02:04 PM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: Perhaps the vision I hope for exists in the U.S. private sector. I’ll be in Silicon Valley next month to inquire. I deeply hope it does. I don't think you'll find it in Silicon Valley. I'd be more inclined to hunt for it in, say, Oakland. It's

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: WhatsApp ... Death of SMS?

2014-03-03 Thread Pamela McCorduck
I’m glad to hear your views, Glen. I do believe that the private sector has a deeply important—vital—role to play in the development and dispersion of innovation, but in the case I meant, the Internet, the real innovation came from people with an astounding vision who were able to spend from th

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: WhatsApp ... Death of SMS?

2014-03-03 Thread glen
FWIW, I remember the question well. I was too busy to respond in the way I wanted to. My lack of response wasn't because it was an uninteresting question. I didn't respond because the reasoning seemed fallacious. I still can't respond the way I'd like to, with a full explanation of what's

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-03 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 3/3/14, 8:18 AM, Grant Holland wrote: I worked for some of the best computer companies around over the next many years (Univac,  Sun Microsystems, (with) Seymour Cray, others) and saw nothing but a steady decline in the centrality of math

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: WhatsApp ... Death of SMS?

2014-03-03 Thread Nick Thompson
I am working on some sort of pun about a traffic jam on the Wheatstone Bridge. I will get back to you all when I have it. N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlin

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: WhatsApp ... Death of SMS?

2014-03-03 Thread Roger Critchlow
Heroes of the telegraph, by J Munro: At a second interview, Mr. Cooke told Wheatstone of his intention to bring out a working telegraph, and explained his method. Wheatstone, according to his own statement, remarked to Cooke that the method would not act, and produced his own experimental telegrap

[FRIAM] Fwd: WhatsApp ... Death of SMS?

2014-03-03 Thread Pamela McCorduck
This was my original message on February 22. Begin forwarded message: > From: Pamela McCorduck > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] WhatsApp ... Death of SMS? > Date: February 22, 2014 at 5:14:43 PM EST > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > The Internet was conceived and first implem

Re: [FRIAM] Knight News Challenge is now accepting applications

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Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe New Mexican: Our View: For mayor, no perfect choice

2014-03-03 Thread Owen Densmore
oops .. "*spell* internet" On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: > Well, money-as-power does not bother me. The idiotic city council does. > Gonzales is the the only one not on the council IIRC. > > But my big deal is the internet. Small minded of me, I'm sure. But the > ins

Re: [FRIAM] Santa Fe New Mexican: Our View: For mayor, no perfect choice

2014-03-03 Thread Owen Densmore
Well, money-as-power does not bother me. The idiotic city council does. Gonzales is the the only one not on the council IIRC. But my big deal is the internet. Small minded of me, I'm sure. But the insane council anti-fiber stand is certainly not pro-growth. My bet is that at least Gonzales ca

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-03 Thread Owen Densmore
Could you forward your earlier email? I don't seem to have it, and I don't believe it was part of the current thread, right? I'm interested in this because of the Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) program that has a couple of projects here in Santa Fe, one of which Redfish is working on.

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-03 Thread Eric Smith
Pamela, hi I actually thought it was extremely interesting, but have no knowledge of my own to contribute. Somebody you might like is a Swedish economist (now emeritus) named Gunnar Eliasson, wwho has spent much of his career studying the detailed planning and mechanics by which governmen

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-03 Thread Grant Holland
Pamela, I am personally very disturbed as well. I see the trend that you are pointing out as an instance of a much larger trend. I can't quite yet characterize, or even scope, it yet. However, short-term thinking and various versions of trying-to-get-something-for-nothing seem to accompany mo

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-03 Thread Merle Lefkoff
I didn't see your earlier post, Pamela, but it seems to be that in addition to the lure of money are (1) the shift to biological rather than physics research, perhaps because we are destroying the planet; and (2) government money for anything useful is a thing of the past. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at

[FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] Re Read re Losing a Generation of Scientists

2014-03-03 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Utterly nobody in FRIAM thought my question about the shift from government led innovation to private sector led innovation was interesting enough to comment on (even to acknowledge) but I’m going to forward this piece from Dave Farber’s list which also addresses the issue and ask you again whet