[FRIAM] [ SPAM ] RE: Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Victoria writes: "So any belief other than one's own is a delusion?" Subjective experience must run counter to objective evidence to get this label. A belief that can be represented by a set of features, understandable by independent observers in a repeatable way is not a delusion. If someon

[FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread Victoria Hughes
Dang I HATE it when I hit send accidentally--- As I was typing: I believe that believing too fervently in our technological gods keeps us from recognizing our immaturity of experience as a species: we have not shown much aptitude for using either theological or technological gods as humane, sust

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread Victoria Hughes
So any belief other than one's own is a delusion? How convenient. I do not believe that our technology is sophisticated / adept / precise / subtle enough to answer any of these open ended philosophical queries. I believe that believing our technology- and our ability to be responsible and appro

Re: [FRIAM] Teasing Owen ...

2015-01-08 Thread Owen Densmore
I'll try; gotta Dr appt 11:15. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > This is an excerpt from CP Snow, The Two Cultures, by which he was > referring to scientists and humanists. > > > > *I have heard the story attributed to A. L. Smith—came over to Cambridge > to dine. The date i

[FRIAM] Teasing Owen ...

2015-01-08 Thread Nick Thompson
This is an excerpt from CP Snow, The Two Cultures, by which he was referring to scientists and humanists. I have heard the story attributed to A. L. Smith-came over to Cambridge to dine. The date is perhaps the 1890s. I think it must have been at St. John's, or possibly Trinity. Anyway, Smith

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
This is becoming a shark feeding frenzy of Media demanding that I believe different versions of the demented beliefs. Which ever outlet I side with demands I become a believer. I am not Normal to begin with, otherwise I MIGHT actually take up arms and shoot at a target they suggest. Should I tak

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread glen
On 01/08/2015 03:49 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: Or that they are mentally ill and need `retraining'. But that takes us down the road of recognizing the danger latent in faith, which I don't think the US is close to doing. Exactly ... though it goes beyond just faith to any sort of psychologi

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 15:17 -0800, glen wrote: > If the US were really more focused on integration, then > wouldn't we treat people like this as criminals and not terrorists? Or that they are mentally ill and need `retraining'. But that takes us down the road of recognizing the danger latent in

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread glen
Re: clique preservation, I keep finding myself wondering if we're shooting ourselves in the foot calling these acts "terrorism" and the actors "terrorists". It seems to me these are just criminals. If you buy the Dawkins/Harris/Maher line about Islam being more violent than other religions,

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread Owen Densmore
The big issue Europe, and France in particular faces, is "multiculturalism" vs "cultural integration". The US is structured to favor the latter. Europe the former. The co-existence approach (multiculturalism) can in the worst of cases lead to ghettos and isolation, leading to anger and hate. I ha

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Glen writes: (¬Falsifiable ↛ false) (fantasy ≢ counterfactual) On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 15:47 -0600, Vladimyr Burachynsky wrote: > Time, trial and error improves the operation of delusions. [..] > So the ultimate goal of terrorism is not to kill all of it's critics > but to make as many as possibl

[FRIAM] clueless technology question

2015-01-08 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, everybody, Does anybody out there use Bluetooth headphones with their computer? I was given a pair for Christmas (sony mdr-10rbt) which is specified to operate at ten meters. I have them paired on my computer with a CSR 4.0 dongle which is supposed to get 30 plus meters. Together I can b

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
So... Delusions are very common and make up the bulk of frenetic Human Activity. Since so few know which Delusions may turn out to be falsifiable, they must resort to a dirty trick. They defend every delusion with denial: should the truth remain , they then resort to threat of violence and when o

[FRIAM] Friam at St Johns?

2015-01-08 Thread Gillian Densmore
Anyone know if FRIAM might or will occure this upcoming friday? If so where? FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com