Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Jochen Fromm
Meryl Streep reminds me of Clemens August Graf von Galen, who was one of the few bishops that had the courage to criticize the Nazi regime. He was a bishop in my hometown Münster near the Dutch border. In his sermons he criticized that the Nazis were killing innocent disabled people. The program

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Frank Wimberly
What I am about to say may be controversial here. I used to work in the Psychiatry Department at the University of Pittsburgh Medical School and I spent a number of years collaborating with psychiatrists and psychoanalysts. Everyone is narcissistic to some degree and that is healthy. However, th

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread glen ☣
But the question is what actions are guided by remote diagnosis? I admit that I hope high visibility shaming like that from Streep, when added to the rest of the stress he will be / has been under, will make him go away. But it's not likely for the same reasons Steve cites that blame and stig

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Jochen Fromm
Eric I believe you are wrong if you believe you can have a narcissistic person on your site. A narcissist cares only for himself. The policy of Trump boils down to "I'm great and you're not unless you are like me, myself and I, you loser". There is no way how he can make the country great again.

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Marcus Daniels
A better example might be something like the ACA. The ACA required Obama to make compromises, expend political capital, and play a longer game all while taking constant abuse for it. Or deciding how to balance national and global interests in places like Iraq, Syria, or Afghanistan. Tasks t

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Jochen Fromm
What's the point of diagnosing him? Protest. Resistance. Revelation. Isn't it alarming enough that the country is sliding into an authoritarian state? It is even worse if the president is mentally ill. I have never participated in a demonstration, but if this would happen here, I would demonstra

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Grant Holland
Steve, Thanks for your very well-considered response! Very insightful. Grant On 1/11/17 9:34 AM, Steven A Smith wrote: Carter - I found the article an excellent addition to this discussion. /Instead of continuing the fruitless "disease" argument, we should address these questions di

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Eric Charles
This is, overall, a strange concern, because you need additional layers of analysis. Functional narcissists do well because they have particular strengths, and when those strengths are on the side of third parties, those third parties tend to do quite well. To the extent that we can get Trump's nar

Re: [FRIAM] The year ahead

2017-01-11 Thread Marcus Daniels
IMO, it is like a tradeoff between adhesion and cohesion. Education creates something to adhere to (or, more positively, to build upon), but in order for it to break local cohesive strength (of a local community full of chuch-goers, rednecks, etc.), it has to be pretty strong. Merely being a

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Carter, Well, fair question. My basic premise here is that if one understands a bad situation, one can take steps to ameliorate it. My mood is to retreat into philosophy for the next 4 years. At my age, I don’t really expect to survive them, in any case, so that is a very comfortab

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread glen ☣
Awesome contribution, Steve! There's so much to both agree and argue with, I simply must indulge. I think there's more substance to the "peaceful transition of power" rhetoric than we're all giving credit, here. Yes, each new President can destroy the world. And leaving the selection of peo

Re: [FRIAM] The year ahead

2017-01-11 Thread Gillian Densmore
Just to poke fun at this whole thing: I love being a skunk good amount of experience but it's pretty wonky keeping my modest career going. A man in his 70's, arguably neurotic and xenophic, possibly Autistic as well, has a history of tanking what ever he does? Sure no problem be the countries pers

Re: [FRIAM] The year ahead

2017-01-11 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Why won't education make (a?) difference? On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Robert J. Cordingley < rob...@cirrillian.com> wrote: > “Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.” ― Aristotle, > The Philosophy of Aristotle and from Psychology Today a build and an > argument to get con

Re: [FRIAM] The year ahead

2017-01-11 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
“Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.” ― Aristotle, The Philosophy of Aristotle and from Psychology Today a build and an argument to get control of the media too: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-rest/201303/give-us-kid-till-shes-7-and-well-have-her-life T

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Steven A Smith
Carter - I found the article an excellent addition to this discussion. /Instead of continuing the fruitless "disease" argument, we should address these questions directly. Taking a determinist consequentialist position allows us to do so more effectively. We should blame and stigmati

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Carter Charbonneau
Are you actually going to make different predictions than you did before this occurred to you? On Wednesday, January 11, 2017, Nick Thompson wrote: > C. explanation è prediction ècontrol N > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > htt

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Nick Thompson
Merle, I would find the premises of your response comforting, if I shared them. But the premise of the Jochen’s original post is that he is REALLY crazy. As in delusional, impulsive, paranoid, given to angry rages, un-restrained by such considerations as nuclear annihilation. “What do I

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Nick Thompson
C. explanation ==> prediction ==>control N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Carter Charbonneau
http://lesswrong.com/lw/2as/diseased_thinking_dissolving_questions_about/ Seriously, what's the point of diagnosing him? On Jan 10, 2017 11:55 PM, "Jochen Fromm" wrote: > I posted this on Google+, since we have a lot of psychologists here you > might be interested too? > > Psychologists, therapi

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Grant Holland
Jochen, Nick, I have the same concerns. Thx for speaking up. Grant On 1/11/17 12:11 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: Hi, Jochen, I tried a couple of weeks ago to get everybody worried about this and nobody bit. Briefly, in the first few months Trump discovers that he cannot do anything domestica

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Some of Obama's foreign policy adventures did great harm to this country. One of the biggest problems with promoting impeachment is that Vice-President Pence is a much smarter, more dangerous potential leader. On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Hi, Jochen, > > > > I tried

Re: [FRIAM] Is the new president mentally ill?

2017-01-11 Thread Alfredo Covaleda Vélez
The Permian extinction is a good reference point. During these extinction disappeared almost all the species in the oceans and almost three of four terrestrial vertebrate species, almost all the insects and many species of microorganisms. Maybe Trump will be a disaster, but I am sure that he will n