Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

2017-02-16 Thread Carl Tollander
In another realm, look at Japanese transverse flutes ("shinobue" or simply "fue"). So-called modern flutes are tuned to a western scale so that you can get people from different parts of the world to play songs to some reference. For example, I have a #8 "uta" flute that is tuned to C, and #6

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

2017-02-16 Thread Carl Tollander
Well, there's order, duration, frequency and a bunch of other stuff. There is work from the signal analysis world, where people are concerned with fractal structure in signals as a means of compression, and tho its been years since I've done neural nets, I imagine heartbeats or nervous system

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

2017-02-16 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Carl, Good to hear your “voice” again? I think you might be the person best positioned in my life to talk to me about temporal fractality. Are complex drumbeats fractal; and in what degree? Am I over stretching the term? Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus

Re: [FRIAM] What does it mean to say that it will probably rain tomorrow?

2017-02-16 Thread Carl Tollander
Well, I think the weather forecast does not particularly care about your particular location. It cares about what area you are in where they can make statements. So, the statement that it may rain in Santa Fe with a 50% probability either means that in some larger region of which your specific

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

2017-02-16 Thread Carl Tollander
Many birds do tend to migrate, so wondering what "stable environment" means here. Also thinking there is at play the developmental environment (extended time of egg-to-bird-of-the-now) of the bird, as well as the outer moment-of-the-song environment. How does one talk about developmental

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

2017-02-16 Thread Nick Thompson
David, Thanks for pitching in. I have some hazy data concerning bobolink song that might relate to your hypothesis. We did two studies of bobolink song in relatively stable and relatively disrupted habitats. At least that is what we thought was the relevant variable. In the more

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

2017-02-16 Thread Prof David West
Nick, The second point I made, i.e. about Alexander, Richard Gabriel confirmed that Alexander did cite Mandelbrot and fractal geometry as "confirmation" of his ideas about liveness arising from proper composition using the fifteen properties. Also cited the work of Nikos Salingaros as a rich

Re: [FRIAM] What does it mean to say that it will probably rain tomorrow?

2017-02-16 Thread Shawn Barr
Hi Nick, In an effort to diaspeirein(?), let me offer the following: According to the axioms of probability (maybe you heard this already on Friday), saying that something has a probability of 1 (or .5) doesn't mean that it will happen (or happen half of the time); it just means that the

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

2017-02-16 Thread glen ☣
This idea reminded me of the recent article: Seeing shapes in seemingly random spatial patterns: Fractal analysis of Rorschach inkblots http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0171289 On 02/16/2017 09:53 AM, Prof David West wrote: > A different way to approach the

Re: [FRIAM] more fun with AI

2017-02-16 Thread Steven A Smith
holy shite REC! Looks like pretty good KoolAid! I cut my teeth 40 years ago on APL. Feels like what I *wished for* back then (studying Physics/Math with CS "just a tool"). As we talked a few years ago, I have a (still open, hanging fire) project to do real-time stitching on a 360

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs

2017-02-16 Thread Prof David West
Nick, As asked (effect, affect impose?), my answer would be no. A partial test of the answer would be to see if the songs of birds living, even for multiple generations, in arguably non-fractal environments, e.g. mid- town Manhattan, lost their fractal nature. This test would not rule out the

Re: [FRIAM] more fun with AI

2017-02-16 Thread Roger Critchlow
I watched the livestream from the TensorFlow Dev Summit in Mountainview yesterday. The individual talks are already packaged up as individual videos at https://events.withgoogle.com/tensorflow-dev-summit/videos-and-agenda/#content, but watching the livestream with the enforced moments of deadtime