Re: [FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

"People who spend their lives building these ideas have a large rolodex to flip through, some of which other rolodex flippers will agree are or are not applicable in this or that type of context." Funny you use the example of cards in a rolodex: It makes me think of memes! I suspect neural c

Re: [FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

Glen writes: "Innovative ideas do emerge. But it's never fast." Well, the context you provided was struggling with a phobia, or some entrenched belief. I don't really see why it is important if innovation is occurring or not. What difference does it make if any one example is discovered on

Re: [FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

On August 13, 2017 4:39:47 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels wrote: > >Every day I form hypotheses about how I think this or that experiment >or code modification will go, and often I have to confront contrary >evidence. I would say I have a pretty fast turnover of ideas. I doubt that. My guess is that

Re: [FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

Glen writes: "It took a really long time, which is one of my reasons for rejecting memetics. If ideas were real, then they could change instantaneously." Every day I form hypotheses about how I think this or that experiment or code modification will go, and often I have to confront contrary

Re: [FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

I'm not a scholar, but I don't really think Szasz was anti-psychology, per se. He was a long-time member of the psychicatric association and all that jazz. But he pulled no punches when policing his community ... something we all should do more of ... moderate muslims bear the responsibility f

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

"To explain why I hate it so much, we can try to think deeply about the nazi that killed the antifa yesterday in Charlottesville and Trump's response to it (blaming all sides)." This side must have been terribly

[FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

Glen - Ha! You see? That's not even wrong. 8^) But it's more plausible than asserting that my ideas are mutated and crossed over from ... yours ... or Szasz' ... or my mom's, for example. What I'm trying to tickle apart here is what we do with the very idea that you might have a psuedo-Szasz

[FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

Glen - I'm definitely not the one to educate you (or anyone) on this. Following your allusion to Szaszian anti-psychology, what I'm seeking is common ground on whether there is even a valid question which the ideas of cultural evolution and more pointedly, memetics purports to answer (or "str

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

Ha! You see? That's not even wrong. 8^) But it's more plausible than asserting that my ideas are mutated and crossed over from ... yours ... or Szasz' ... or my mom's, for example. On August 13, 2017 11:22:21 AM PDT, Frank Wimberly wrote: >You are a typical intellectualizing scientist, which i

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

You are a typical intellectualizing scientist, which isn't a bad thing to be. Frank p.s. Intellectualization is a defense which is not as debilitating as some others. Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Aug 13, 2017 12:18 PM, "gepr ⛧" wrote: Well like I said in response to Frank's suggest

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

Well like I said in response to Frank's suggestion about self psychology, I tend towards a Szaszian perspective on talk therapy and psychology. But even that constellation of ideas, I think, has more structural truth to it than memetics. Of course my ignorance may be getting in my way here. So

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

Glen - I absolutely loathe the meme metaphor. I do agree that it has been overused and overpopularized. I don't usually agree with Nick's distinction between metaphor and analogy. 8^) But here, I claim the meme isn't *anything* like a gene... or more clearly, there is no idea/thought co

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

I absolutely loathe the meme metaphor. I don't usually agree with Nick's distinction between metaphor and analogy. 8^) But here, I claim the meme isn't *anything* like a gene... or more clearly, there is no idea/thought construct that is anything like a gene. To explain why I hate it so much