[FRIAM] Why Does Verizon Care About Telephone Poles? - The New York Times

2017-10-04 Thread Tom Johnson
Why Does Verizon Care About Telephone Poles? By SAM LICCARDOOCT. 3, 2017 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/03/opinion/wireless-verizon-telephone-poles.html

Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument

2017-10-04 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Sheesh. I suppose we'll continue to trade "pithy" little sentences without saying anything of substance. So! You're now contradicting your earlier statement and suggesting that Peirce *does* assume there are commonalities? On 10/04/2017 12:48 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Turn that question

Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument

2017-10-04 Thread Nick Thompson
Turn that question around: How can even have a discussion if we don't assume that there is a truth of the matter? "Truth" is what makes it possible to have a discussion. N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University

Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument

2017-10-04 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
How can there be "convergent discourse" if there are no commonalities? On 10/04/2017 11:56 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Peirce does not presume that there ARE any communalities. He presumes only > that if there ARE any communalities, they are what truth would be. > On 10/04/2017 09:55 AM,

Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument

2017-10-04 Thread Nick Thompson
Glen, Peirce does not presume that there ARE any communalities. He presumes only that if there ARE any communalities, they are what truth would be. Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument

2017-10-04 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
I propose that any commonalities between experiences, are due to common physiology. And that means that were I and a mouse to get together and define some scientific experiments we *both* could perform independently (say, jumping on a see-saw or pushing a kibble lever), then the mouse would

Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument

2017-10-04 Thread Nick Thompson
Glen, Well, unless you understand Peirce as a fallibilist, I have described him wrongly or you have misunderstood me. To Peirce, there is only one kind of stuff ... experience. He would not understand what on earth you meant by "out there", unless you were clear that you meant only that

Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument

2017-10-04 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
There is an "out there" reality. But the map between it and me (or a bee or a tree) is plectic, with all that entails including far-from-equilibrium, polyphenism, robustness, sensitivity to initial conditions, multi-scale, etc. That implies that my understanding of what's out there can be

Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument

2017-10-04 Thread Nick Thompson
Frank, Glen, Dave, and all, What, on your various accounts is the relationship between “logic”, “right thinking”, “right reasoning”, and “truth”? As I understand Peirce, a true opinion is one that is likely to endure indefinitely, unchallenged by any new experiences, “right reasoning and

Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument

2017-10-04 Thread ┣glen┫
Yes, very much so! One of my favorite characters. On 10/04/2017 07:58 AM, Prof David West wrote: > e.g. R. Daneel Olivaw, possessor of the finest Positronic Brain, > inventor of the Zeroth Law of Robotics, and Protector of Humanity until > he resigned his post as advisor to Cleon I, Galactic

Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument

2017-10-04 Thread Prof David West
e.g. R. Daneel Olivaw, possessor of the finest Positronic Brain, inventor of the Zeroth Law of Robotics, and Protector of Humanity until he resigned his post as advisor to Cleon I, Galactic Emperor? dw On Wed, Oct 4, 2017, at 08:54 AM, ┣glen┫ wrote: > > It depends on how you define "computer".

Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument

2017-10-04 Thread ┣glen┫
It depends on how you define "computer". If it's a CPU-in-a-vat, like a brain in a vat, then I disagree. That kind of computer is impoverished compared to a human. But if it's an android or somesuch, then I agree. On 10/04/2017 07:47 AM, Prof David West wrote: > A necessary presupposition —

Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument

2017-10-04 Thread Prof David West
The notion that thought (especially "expert" thought),discourse, even conversation can be formalized in some sense is an old idea. It can be found in Vedic writings (oldest extant) and probably every body of philosophy. Perhaps because so many have been frustrated with every day

Re: [FRIAM] Lighthearted speculations re: Fall

2017-10-04 Thread ┣glen┫
Maybe it's some subtle leftover from harvest season ... when you reap what you've sown, feast a little, and pack the rest away for the winter? On 10/04/2017 07:07 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > Just some light hearted question I thought of I simply don't know a answer: > What is it about october

Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument

2017-10-04 Thread ┣glen┫
On 10/03/2017 07:51 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Well, as a Peircean, I am certainly NOT allowed to believe that all valid > logic is deductive, so Got Me There! Heh, I'm not playing "gotcha". What's important to me about my question is whether you think abduction can be formalized. > But to

[FRIAM] Lighthearted speculations re: Fall

2017-10-04 Thread Gillian Densmore
Just some light hearted question I thought of I simply don't know a answer: What is it about october to march that encourages (more?) people to be lighthearted and have yen to sing and eat and show a more goofy side? While do tachi this morning: father woodpecker was looking for food for

Re: [FRIAM] AI and argument

2017-10-04 Thread Frank Wimberly
Don't be discouraged. I think what I said is incorrect. What I should have said is that in logic a false premise implies everything so for instance F -> F is true. Which puzzles people. Although it is used ironically as in "If Trump is a genius then I'll go fly a kite". Frank Frank