Re: [FRIAM] Formalizing the concept of design

2018-11-07 Thread Nick Thompson
I am WAY out of my depth here. In fact, you guys have dragged my original thought out beyond its depth and are in danger of drowning it. My point is a descriptive one: however we come to explain it, there is (or perhaps isn’t) a holistic property of natural systems called design which, if we

Re: [FRIAM] Formalizing the concept of design

2018-11-07 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
It seems to me you're still directly on topic. Nick's emphasis on hierarchy leads directly to (forgive me, here) the *flatness* or flattenability of dynamical systems equations versus whatever units multi-level selection might operate over. It's probably just another fit of apophenia. But I

Re: [FRIAM] Formalizing the concept of design

2018-11-07 Thread David Eric Smith
Hi Steve, Of course, my first rule is that people should do whatever they want as long as it doesn’t hurt anybody else, so far be it from me to pass judgment on anyone’s choice of ways to scope words. That can be guided by what you want the conversation to do in which you use them. That